Swayambhu wrote:
'Go find a traditional Indian Ayurvedicist. They will tell about all the crazy medicines that can do weird and wonderful things to you, but they will not tell you how.'
..this is true
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Sri Adi Shankaracharya - Dasa Sloki (Nirvana Dasakam) [10] :

"It is not one; how can there be a second different from it? It has neither absoluteness nor non-absoluteness. It is neither void nor non-void since it is devoid of duality. How can I describe that which is the essence of the entire Vedanta!"

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Love is the Buzz.

i'm glad you're still about joedirt and Rising Spirit, and nice posts, thanks

your pic Rising Spirit reminds that it is said in some old verses that within each skin pore of the 'body' of Krishna is contained an entire universe with an entire parallel earth..

essentially though thank you for bringing the thread back to what's important...<3

and yes, as is said in the Svetasvatara Upanishad :-

I was very recently introduced to Advaita Vedanta by a 5-MeO-DMT experiencer, in the form of YouTube talks by teacher Rupert Spira, which I've really been enjoying so far. This person recommended Advaita Vedanta as a conceptual framework for processing one's breakthrough 5-MeO experiences (during which one is very likely to have an experience of non-duality on which these teachings are based) while at the same time taking those experiential insights forward and grounding them. That state of consciousness that 5-MeO can provide access to...the state of timeless infinity and cosmic oneness...is definitely not a new human experience that's for sure. Spira seems like a highly articulate teacher, and I've enjoyed his talks so far...and what he is saying from the Advaita Vedanta perspective resonates very deeply with my breakthrough 5-MeO insights.

thanks Bancopuma for the input and link..
one of the reasons for putting this thread here was to provide a 'framework' yes for some people here, though also something which applies to so-called everyday life as well..so i think yes this is helpful in this context, this site, so i am very happy that it has also been helpful in your path Bancopuma..and the aspect of grounding or integration is an important one..the Vedas really claim to be universal knowledge, not simply 'hindu'...it's all our heritage..

i briefly recounted an experience earlier which was a plant containing both 5meo-dmt and dmt in combination ('the power and the glory' some have called this combination), and where that lead...to Aum..but the most profound of realisations was that the core of this, the Advaita...That...is present even without the effects of such an experience..it is always there...once it is known what to look for (or not look for, rather), it's always there..here

obviously i've been an advocate of plants as tools for studying consciousness, though i don't think that they are everyones' path, or need be used frequently, nor necessary for all to comprehend the non-dual..or that there is one ultimate method..it's why i avoid the Soma discussion in this thread (though am happy to engage it elsewhere) ..i became interested in sanskrit and tantra (broad meaning) a number of years ago in my general study, and began reading the vedas in their original language...i do plan to talk and write on some of my research somewhere, but my conclusion was, from the vedas directly, that there is no one soma (just as who can say there is an 'ultimate' one true entheogen), they actually mention different kinds of soma...and there they are but one kind of ceremony if you like, not an ultimate path to realisation..i think plants, like yoga and other techniques, are tools that point to something, initially bringing momentary samadhis...
that 'something' is there always with or without the tools...many have attained momentary samadhi by watching a sunset as much as taking an entheogen..it's the bringing it into everyday life which is the work, the daily work the sages and the learned talk of..in the heart, as joedirt and Rising Spirit have brought us back to..

non-dual understanding is much older than Vedanta (which is the writing of older oral traditions, leading far back)...and again there is no single way to get 'there'..the learned say once 'there', the realisation of presence is in all states of waking or dreaming consciousness..because It (Brahman) can't be directly perceived as it is the perception itself, it can't be known as it is the knower, and it is neither night nor day, as the Upanishads say - 'The absolute void and it's opposite I am'..

it's 'clear'

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"Finally it happens. Thought is extinguished like a snuffed candle. The intellect withdraws into its real ground, that is, consciousness working unhindered by thoughts. I perceive, what I have suspected for some time and what the Maharishee has confidently affirmed, that the mind takes its rise in a transcendental source. The brain has passed into a state of complete suspension, as it does in deep sleep, yet there is not the slightest loss of consciousness. I remain perfectly calm and fully aware of who I am and what is occurring. Yet my sense of awareness has been drawn out of the narrow confines of the separate personality; it has turned into something sublimely all-embracing. Self still exists, but it is a changed, radiant self. For something that is far superior to the unimportant personality which was I, some deeper, diviner being rises into consciousness and becomes me. With it arrives an amazing new sense of absolute freedom, for thought is like a loom-shuttle which is always going to and fro, and to be freed from its tyrannical motion is to step out of prison into the open air."

- Paul Brunton

4th International Conference on Enlightenment

Pierre has been a student of Eastern thought for many years and has been called a Jnana yogi by Alan Watts.