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I came across this quote in my copy of PIHKAL (Page 32): Quote:IF one could stir simple household ammonia into elemicin to convert it to the strange and challenging psychedelic TMA (at least in theory), then a similar stirring of ammonia into myristicin should give rise to the unknown base, 3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine. Does anyone know the feasibility of Shulgin's musings? He doesn't mention it anywhere else. Nutmeg contains both myristicin and elemicin in quantity. Perhaps in a place where it was legal one could mix together ammonia and nutmeg, then do an A/B to extract the newly formed alkaloids?
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hmm..well in theory that seems quite easy if it works!..i will definatily be following this thread.. Long live the unwoke.
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If this was true then surely people wouldn't bother with the long drawn out complicated processes they currently use to manufacture these substances. Just 2 OTC precursors?! Sounds too good to be true.
Also isn't discussing syntheses here against the rules?
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"Also isn't discussing syntheses here against the rules?" ..I think you are right..we talk about making LSH though, but I think it's allowed because it exists in nature already..not really sure Long live the unwoke.
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fractal enchantment wrote:"Also isn't discussing syntheses here against the rules?"
..I think you are right..we talk about making LSH though, but I think it's allowed because it exists in nature already..not really sure Yeah I think of LSA -> LSH like I do DMT N-oxide -> DMT, as they say in the fresher seeds they are more abundant with LSH and as they got older it degrades to LSA... I'm sure I read that somewhere. But also to declarify my prior doubts, I realise that I read "MMDA" as MDMA and when I saw "TMA" I immediately thought "TMA-2" before even begining to think they are different substances from the one's mentioned, as I know nothing of synthesis I don't have the knowledge to contribute here. You can see why I came to that conclusion though.... figuring it as MDMA from nutmeg and ammonia...  Silly me.
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I don't think it as simple as adding ammonia. This is analogous to making MDA straight from safrole, and I don't think that works simply by adding ammonia either.
There's a method to convert safrole directly into MDMA, check it out and you'll get an idea of the reagents & procedures needed for such an operation.
Check out the rhodium archives on erowid. It's an article named "direct aminomercuration of safrole".
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If you put the mixture in a pressure cooker it works. The thing is that the reaction has a yield of only a few percent, so if you want it to work properly you got to do it with large amounts and then do an extraction.
But it definately works.
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Is it easy enough then to convert TMA to TMA 2?
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Quote:Is it easy enough then to convert TMA to TMA 2? Downright impossible. Well not impossible but so complicated that it's not worth your while.
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Figured as much. Always been quite excited about the sound of TMA 2 though.
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