I saw a show about UFO's last night. It was very interesting because it was reports from airline pilots and military pilots. Also radar recordings showing objects the pilots are describing. The pilots don't sound exactly thrilled that they are seeing this stuff.

There was a guy on who had a really close up experience with a craft. The dude looked like his whole world had been turned upside down by it. His whole view of reality had been shifted and put into question. He had obviously bore witness to something incredibly hard to reconcile within his human frame of reference. SPice can have this same effect. Earlier tonight I was launched into a totally foreign "Not of this Earth space . it was a alternate dimensional crazy place. I felt like a fish that had climbed up on land for a moment. Or a cave man landing in times square.
the geometry the loss of body the total wow package deal..clearly unlike anything known.

I began a narrative to myself out loud. something like : " bearing witness to something not of this earth will not make me insane" . I feel each time I go in now I am getting stronger in my ability to accept the fact that these things I see are real. That maybe there is an alternate dimension, maybe there really are Extra terrestrial intelligences .. I am attempting to build my strength in order to fully accept the things I see. To attempt to make better sense of the experiences.

I think we have to change the narrative. The narrative needs to be more accepting of some fundamental philosophical whats if's?

as in, what if alternate dimensions and the realites they contain are real.? and more than that what if we actually do have accesss via a substance like spice. ?

Something profound is happening what is it?

I'm glad this site exists ..and all of you people on here. thanks

I think they are real..and that the others are definatily here.

Yes, they are here. They are all around. It's not so strange.

I think our world loses a lot in that a lot of people are simply incapable of even entertaining the possibility that their world may be something more than what they believe it to be. Movies like the Matrix infused a lot of cutting edge information into the global mind, but still, most people don't dare to look at these things as possible realities. Without this capability, I'm afraid reality will stay as it is, "frozen" in its current state.

What if people are beginning to wake up, and UFOs and Machine Elves are a last ditch distraction to keep us enslaved to Saṃsāra?

The hard thing is that when the capacity to believe arises, we shouldn't give in to whatever we are presented with. We should just rest in that open state and watch. It's not believing in any particular thing that is important - after all, all beliefs are distractions, more or less - but the capacity to believe, the openness. The truth will then just show itself, without us believing in anything.

very good the openness, being open and witnessing with no judgement. yes yes I see now I think that the spice experience presents a whole new story and makes me realize how stuck we can be as humans. The human centric view of the world . I believe its only natural and I think the average person would prefer not to know the possibilites because they really do turn everything we know upsidedown , sideways and askew in every direction.

beautiful insights thank you

That's where it gets tricky. I think it is possible to be open/free and still becoming emotional, perhaps even judgemental. I become sick when people proclaiming spiritual openness suggest that "enlightened" people should be gentle, soft, only watching and smiling, etc. Au contraire! Enlightened people are REAL, together with all the stuff that means. The enlightened vajra gurus came to the conclusion that Samsara and Nirvana are the same thing. I think I'm beginning to understand why they can't help laughing when they finally realize this.

Yes man very hard to stay calm and unjudgemental when your presented with an altered- reality that calls into question a reality that you've functioned in for a lifetime. Spice is way beyond any kind of new age level of understanding.
I think the beginning of enlightenment may be the basic understanding that things are not as they seem.

My concept for myself is to change the narrative. During and after my journeys I come up against questions like what is going on here?. How is this possible? this can't be possible. My personal journey is starting to change the story for myself as a sentient human on earth. To seriously entertain the idea that anything is possible no matter how far out. I'm in the process of completely rewriting my understanding of myself and the world around me its deep heavy amazing stuff happening right now .

Yeah, when you finally allow things to happen, they really start to happen.

Once I was just so overwhelmed by this that I said out loud (to myself and to those beings - whoever they are - who were seemingly orchestrating my experience from over there): "OK, stop now, I see this can really be, but I want some time to reflect on all of this." Actually I was more like frightened, at the possibility that I reach a line where my inner reality and outer reality become totally synchronised, in the sense that the usual inertia of the world around me dissipates and my world becomes an instant manifestation of my mind. This aspect of enlightenment can be really scary, just thinking about how clean and purified my mind should be for this process not to result in a big mess around me. Actually, when I got to this point, I thanked God for the fact that I'm still allowed to live as "I" do, separated from my world. (Once "they" told me that this is by design, that no-one is allowed to merge until they are ready to bear the responsibility - this is the real meaning of growing up or becoming an adult.)

Amen!

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Often times I will feel the spice is taunting me for my human behavior. I have a problem expressing my anger and it turns inward and aggression turns passive. The spice has made me look at that, literally! It showed me stomping around screaming(which is what happens when I hold it in for too long instead of expressing it promptly and maturely) it has done this before but I didn't understand the message. If I grasp the lesson, I find I am allowed to proceed further into the 'reward' realm of bliss.

The spice peels me like an onion, and if I allow it to do its work and help to make me the evolving and sentient creature I have the potential to be, then nirvana is one rung closer(unless they are right about samsara, in which case the full realization of that fact becomes clearer)


Thanks for an intersting and inspiring thread!

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sounds to me like you need to flow, J.
play some blues on guitar, kick the shit out of a hanging punching bag, dance around beautifully, or tap a post via keyboard on the Nexus.
the spice loves flow.

Sring theory, theoretical/quantum physics , suggests that there are atually 11 overlapping dimensions.Well Known Physist Michio Kaku studies string theory and has written many good books.One that i would highly recommend to anyone with interest in this subject, is his book "Hyperspace". http://mkaku.org/

Reality is just our perceptions of this space/time continuum, that's individually based on our own personal experiences and our egos."My reality is different than yours" ,"you create your own realiy" (just examples).

The question of whether we are tapping into these other dimensions, or if we're just tapping into our own subconscious, or mabey even the collective unconscious is the thousand dollar question.

I believe that it possible that we can be tapping into all of the above.

It is definately true.....what the machine elves said to T. Mckenna "do not give into astonishment".If you can sit as a peaceful observer without any emtional reaction or judgements to what is being experience.....the further you go and the more you can learn and see.

Jasons... i have noticed that when my ego starts to get involved with a spice journey and i start having "thoughts" or i'm not fully giving myself to the experience, it can taunt me for not doing so.She seems to want me in that space, where i am not givimg into astonishment and i am sitting as an observer without fear or judgement.......she can be taunting if your not.