no matter how many times the acid solution is defated, fat keeps getting pulled, how can this problem be solved?

ha good luck with that!!!!!!!
I have been there..I gave up after a few defats and accepted the goo..it worked though but differnt from mimosa...

FASA seems the way to go.

soxhlet type extractor...this will help with defatting

and fractal were you able to smoke the extract or did you take it orally? and what were some of the differences that you saw between mimosa and phalaris?

I smoked it..got minor visuals, some vibrant neon colors, that pineal feeling etc..and euphoria..I dosed really low though becasue of concerns about the other alks..still need to do some more experiments with the grass..

The grass I think had some 5meo in it so thats an obvious difference..mimosa is just clearer for one thing...there was more anxiousness with the grass than I would get from a smaller dose of mimosa alkaloids..

but that is arundinacea picked from the wild..cultivated a bit to push alkaoid content or other strains liek brachy might prove more worthy...

"soxhlet type extractor" whats this??

what it does is evaporates then condenses solvents so that it recycles the solvent and runs it through the plant matter many many times without using new solvent...you can run a soxhlet extractor for days if you wanted to..and then you would freebase and pull with your desired solvent

I would suggest using a large amount of defatting solvent. Then put mixture to defat on heating pad or warm water bath. Use a air pump(pet store) and chemical resistant lab grade plactic tubing.

Set up the tubing so it stays at bottom of acid solution connect to air pump and plug it in.

This will give constant agitation since there is a limited amount of fat in solution it will eventually get it all out. With this method you dont need to shake the hell out of it just let the airpump do the work for you. You may need to replace the defatting solvent a few times but at least your arms wont cramp up from shaking for hours. Be patient let this setup run for as long as necessary it may take a day or more.

Good luck keep us posted

PEACE
MV

how did u smoke it with the fats in the final product?

I evapped it onto some mullein leaf and just smoked it..

How about a dry butane defat? Although you probably would need a shitload of butane...

Dry defat yes preferred to defating acid solution. Defat the dry biomass by soaking in then removing the defatting solvent as many times as necessary to get the fat out. Butane will suck out all the fat in 2 defat cycles.

Keep testing by evaporating small drops/amounts of defat solvent until no residue is present. Assuming your solvent evaporates clean to start with, when defat evaps clean fat is gone


It will work very well but it is a waste of expensive butane in my opinion, also very volatile. But very useful for some purposes its very unique quality is that you can boil it off at room temp VERY RAPIDLY (your extract will be free of solvent in a VERY short time! clean to) it boils around 33F. DANGEROUS as many things in life follow lab saftey and you will be fine.

If you do use butane and boil off at room temp make sure you do it in a very dry place with low humidity or you will get water condensed on you extract due to the very very cold butane. Wear gloves it will freeze your skin.

If it was free yes. It would take a lot of butane $$$ to defat 1000g biomass. It will work and yield a nice clear fat at that.

PEACE
MV

Has anyone tried using DCM to defat phalaris? It does a damn good job on most other stuff.

the poject was scraped and started again with acacia bark, too much f**king around.
thanks for all your help

how does a dry butaine defat work?

Dude
Did you read your own thread? Good grief man the answer is in my post up there in this thread!


Soak your biomass in defatting solvent BEFORE you mix with acid solution. Take dry biomass and soak in defatting solvent repete this until defatting solvent is clean and no longer absorbing fat from biomass.

As I said up there it is a waste of butane to use as defatting solvent in my opinion.


http://www.dmt-nexus.me/...um/default.aspx?g=search

search dry defat 20pages of results

Not being a jerk but the proublem of others answering all your questions with out research on your part means you learn nothing. Search first ask second people are happy to help. I am not going to explain butane step by step it can be dangerous and I wont be responsible for accidents following my advice. I never asked about it I did my research, followed lab safety procedures and did my own experiments that is how I learned about it.



PEACE
MV

How much fat phalaris species contain that would require defat? For MHRB it's not even necessary operation.
SWIM tried extracting from phalaris brachytachys with lazytek technique and when vaporized non polar solvent (benzine) got oily residue. But it is possible that such solvents and naphtha may contain heavier fractions that do not evap.