The first time I ever did dmt it was exactly not what I expected. That goes the same for Ketamine. SWIM had no idea what to expect and got exactly that.

He definately felt that it has similar effects to dxm but with different effects along with it.

He would say Ket is more potent than dex and is a thrill to do I.M.'s with... He tried snorting it but didn't like the drip nor that it plugged me up for a good 3 hours... I.M. is the way to go.

Swim pursued K in hopes that it would replicate dex in some way. He attributes this want to his, now minor, dex addiction. After a few nights of K experiments he has realised that they are two different drugs and having the desire of dex cannot be calmed with K nor vise versa.

Peace

Oh SWIM said that he got it from a friend Who isn't SWIM

watch out for Dex...

Darkbb

Please be careful as both the substances you speak of are dangerous.


Much Peace

I can't imagine ketamine or DXM to have any healing effects on the body what-so-ever. They seem detrimental, but what do I know?

Addiction is something that can be abolished, especially with the help of harmalas and metaprogramming.

These sound like nasty and apathetic things to be addicted to!

ketamine is medically quite safe in the doses needed for a trip/OBE or whatever it is that ketamine does..anesthetic doses givin in hospitals are higher than the doses used to k-hole..the real problem with ketamine is frequent use over long periods..I have yet to try it but have done lots of research and talked to other users..

Ketamine is also nuero-protective as it acts of the NMDA receptors..not sure how exactly but there is lots of info on it..just google ketamine and neuroprotection...and it has been speculated that ketamine is very close to certain endogenous chemicals that also act on the NMDA sites durring darkroom retreats etc..

It's used alot in places like india..there is a doctor there that did lots of experiments with ketamine and NDE's..giving it to other people who had NDE's naturally and the parallels between the two were very interesting...he was first givin ketamine after being in a motorcycle accident where he had a head injury and a NDE...he claimed to have gone into the light and then back, where he floated over his body and watched the doctors administer ketamine on the scene to protect his brain and instantly went back out into the light once again...I cant remember his name but its around the net..

Ketamine is being studies by MAPS for depression/anxiety etc..they dont usually study things there unless they believe they have some sort of benifical use...I feel ketamine has a bad rap because of stupid club kids...I know someone who did it every day for a year or 2 and got an ulcer somehow..and he stopped..be he said it was useful for OBE's and exploration..just dont use it for other social purposes etc I was told and I would be ok..I know another person who was at some party and drank some other peoples booze without aking and it had ketamine in it, and he didnt know what was wrong, and ppl called 911 and they foundout it was ketamine and everyone kept talking about "that horrible horse tranquilizer"..which isnt it's origional use...so I cant talk to many of my freinds about my desire to do ketamine and most of them dont belive it can cause OBE's and never heard of Lilly so it's hard for me to find or ask about it..

John lilly apparently ridded himself of his horrible migraines with the use of ketamine and the isolationtank I think onhis third session..and they never returned...he was trying before that with LSD with no luck.

The fact that ketamine is still used in medical institutions in place of other anesthetics does say something...it doesn't depress breathing at higher doses either..

Dont know much at all about DXM...whats it like Darkbb?..is it useful when used infrequently?..not that I really want to try DXM..I have heard much worse things about DXM than ketamine.

How was ketamine exactly?? did you travel?? was it like an OBE?

For anyone intereested read "journeys into the bright world"...neat book about one womans journeys with ketamine..I think she ended up frozen to death up in a tree on ketamine eventually so do be careful..but I liked the book.

ahhh special K

I have experimented with K in the past alot, not much research but alot of snorted lines. Smoked in joints too.

What to say??

I'l start with my first experince with the K.

I was given a pile of k by a reliable source, my wife and I snorted the given amount, waited a few minutes and then it started. The numbing seantation in all your body starts taking over, after 20 minutes I would be having the most hardcore out of body experience. Everything is slowed down, slowed down enough to still beable to ponder the thought of time slowing down. I've always been a fan of darkpsy/psy and techno, so this would always be my choice of music whilst on K. I tell you now, psytrance at 150bpm sound like 120bpm, in not slower.
I never weighed my goods then so I cant say what dose i used to do.

45-50 minutes later I was nearly at baseline. Ready to go at it again. This being one of the things made got my attention about this drug.

If one doses with the big enough, you will reach what people refer to as the K-hole.
My experience of the K-hole, Your brain gets ripped from your body and is shifted to another part of the room your in. You litteraly see yourself with your freinds from the corner of you room. Fucking weird I say.
At this point I should mention that I have no sence of feeling on my skin, I could have burnt a joint on me and not know(never happened).
There was one time when I was lying on the floor on my stomach, my speaker right next to my head, and I saw myself being twisted around the Earth, twisting and twisting, round and round. All of this im seeing from space, maybe the Moon? There is maybe a period of about 30minute that you can have no recolection of what day it is, no sence of time, cant remember if I have work tomorow, speech is also very slurred, alot of the time when really in it, im unable to talk. Just lay there and have this massive force push your brain around, unable to focus on any one specific matter, this stuff make really fucked.

Also another strong feeling I had on pure K, I was in a red painted room, weird kinda sponge painting, and I felt like I was being pushed out of my mothers vagina, like being born, and litteraly takeing note of the process, hard to explain, but im sure the get it. Ive allways said its a rough time on pure K.

But when mixed 1:1 with something like, say,,, coke, then its very easy going. But a very bad idea if I think about what a mix that is. Not good.

After effects, a little stuffy feeling in my head the next day, but most of that is nothing unexpected when snorting half a gram per person. On more frequent use, I felt as though my body was missing essential immune system, like I was very prone to getting a cold, runny nose etc.

Another thing to note is, DONT USE K IF YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING, I kid you not, you dont want to be drunk when your brain is being thrown from one side of the room to the other, lots of uncomfortable vomiting.

So thats my 2cents worth. If I think of more il post.

Fractal enchantment, I can say most deffinately that I felt I had OBE, but not like traveling, just there, where your body is, being flung around.
Dont know if thats what you mean by OBE.

the only time I ever did a non-tiny dose of K was after drinking on New Years eve... ended horribly
was great for about 10-15 mins when I felt like a spaceman walking around the house .. and then I felt like I was seasick.. not fun at all... seemed like I was in a timeloop heaving over the toilet bowl

ahh yes, the spaceman walk, haha, if you able to walk. I never made it to the toilet in time, had to do with my bath, was like crawling to the toilet(unable to stand ) and only made it to the bath, jus a few more feet.

i agree these are some nasty addictions and generally are not worth it
for this reason i stopped using dex
not worth frying/dying for

be careful man
we only got one body