Hi, I'm taking an interest in chemistry lately since I'm studying neuroscience and this forum looks like it's going to be a great resource!

I never tried DMT and I am interested in trying it eaten. I got some Mimosa Hostilis root bark powder and Peganum Harmala seeds and the classical Ayahuasca brew seems like to much of a long process to me.

I don't really know what boiling the bark in hot water is supposed to do to the DMT it contains, but I was wandering if I can't very simply dose my mimosa and my seeds and then drink them in a glass of water. Would that be ok?

I would recommend learning some patience and just spend the few hours it takes to brew it. You will be greatly rewarded for your efforts if you do, I made the mistake of eating syrian rue before and had to throw it up before they began to take effect (Probably the most foul tasting substance i've ever encountered). Properly brewing it will remove several tannins and alkaloids you don't want to consume, and its effects will take hold quicker without having to digest everything, but if you have a strong stomach and don't mind having a belly full of plant matter go for it!

Even the mimosa tea can leave you hung over. I would expect the whole bark to be even worse in that regard.

Sure, you can just toss the material back, though I think your stomach probably won't be too happy.

Better to brew though, you can eliminate much of the nausea associated with ingesting the plant material. It takes a bit of time to brew - yes, though if done right you can get several dosages concentrated within a manageable amount of liquid and things will be much easier on your stomach.

Though even with a tea it can still cause pretty powerful nausea, especially if the dosage is higher.

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you're best of not using the water, just chew up the seeds then have a good munch on the bark, it is a delicious way to spend an evening

Thanks guys for the very quick replies!

The fact I don't wanna make the brew is more a matter of confusion than patience. I have read dozen of descriptions of how to brew it and everyone seems to have different methods.

I've read that you can even make a smoothie and put the powder and seeds in it and that helps eliminating nausea.

I've also read that you can put powder and seeds in capsules and drink them with some water and this also is supposed to eliminate nausea.

Now, from all the things that I've read, it seems to me as if the DMT contained in the powder doesn't change potency or composition or anything else when heated in the brew, so the only thing that brewing may help with is removing some unwanted alkaloids and tannins according to Deasmond. Though he still says to go for it if I have a strong stomach so I suppose that ingesting a few unwanted alkaloids and tannins once in your life doesn't really kill you or compromise the trip.

Regarding the problem of nausea I suppose that it might depend both from the reaction in the stomach and from how it tastes. So a smoothie that masks the taste of the raw plants and maybe smoothen things out in the stomach might be my favourite solution at this point.

How does my reasoning sound? Any flaws?

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Good luck (you will need it) to enjoy eating it.

Yes there are many different methods and recepies.The basic is brew the mimosa in hot watter simmer.The water should be on PH 4 or lower becaue at that point the alcaloids transfer to the water.Minimum is 3x30 min boil.Filter and separate the mhrb.Reduce to a cup on low boil.Do same with the seeds,I think two boils are suficients.Take the seeds 10 min befor the MHRB and I suggest 4gr seeds.

Thanks bionecrosis and everyone else for the advices. I guess I'm just gonna have to experiment myself. I'll try both brewed and raw assumption methods and I'll post my experiences.

Sorry for mentioning where I got the mimosa from, I removed it... I didn't notice sourcing. Fair play on that, it makes sense.

Consider average dosage of mimosa and rue is approximately 3 grams each. 6 grams doesn't sound like much until you sit down to eat it and realize that's 6 grams of wood and seeds. Not so hard to get down with a toss and wash or a very very very foul tasting smoothie, but then your intestines have to break all that material down. This is a formidable task, almost inevitably leading to gut wrenching nausea and/or uncomfortable purging (out either or both ends).

Consider the other alternative, you make a nice tea, reduce it to a few oz's of liquid that are easily tossed back, quickly absorbed, and significantly less work for the digestive system to process.

Sure, a lot of people have their own take on the brewing process but it all "boils down" to the same idea. Boil your material in water for a period of time (30 minutes is sufficient, though some choose to boil longer), collect the tea, add fresh water to the material and boil again, repeat 1-2 moar times till you have done a total of 3-4 boils with fresh water. Combine the water from all the boils and reduce (boil it down till you can easily toss it back like a shot of booze).

Simple nuff and your bowels will thank you.

Thank you so much dreamer042. I get your point, it seems to make a lot of sense indeed. But it raised new questions:
to break apart all the molecules of the bark and seeds the digestive system has to work a lot since they are not edible foods and is very likely to get the body to reject the material causing some purging of some kind. In this case though, good part of the DMT might be expelled without having a chance to enter the bloodstream and reach the brain, right? Does this mean that I might even risk to not get any effect, or less effect taking it raw?

While, when brewed, DMT is released into the water and the digestive system doesn't have anything or as much to do to break it apart from other molecules, hence it's absorbed more easily. Though I've read that it still causes nausea and purges to almost everyone.

So I'm still confused about which exactly are the factors of nausea and about how DMT can reach the brain if it is expelled after purging. Any clarification?

Weigh out some Mimosa or Acacia root powder, put it into a jar with about 300 to 400mls of room temp bottled water, put the lid on the jar, shake the jar very well periodically throughout the day and let it sit overnight. Next day filter the liquid through a coffee filter and evaporate the liquid down in a dish in front of a fan, once the liquid is dried to a residue, scrape up the residue and encapsulate it.

Then encapsulate 3 to 4 grams of Rue seed powder, or some freebased Rue extract, or freebased purified Harmala extract.

Take the Rue/Harmalas, wait about 30 minutes, take the Mimosa or Acacia residue capsules, and there you go.

It's true purging is likely no matter which route you go. This is particularly true if you are just starting working with harmalas/rue as they can be quite nauseating on their own, eventually you get your "harmala legs" so to speak and there is less nausea/dizziness/vertigo, though at the higher doses it's pretty much inevitable. I think part of it is also the DMT agonizing the 5ht3 serotonin receptors in the stomach which can also cause pretty severe nausea and vomiting. The DMT bit is one that I personally haven't been able to adapt well to, when the DMT hits my belly its tough to hold back the near instant gag reflex.

It comes back to the absorption, if you take a tea or pure alkaloids they are quickly digested and absorbed into the blood stream, so if you can hold back the purge for even a few minutes, you generally will have absorbed enough of the medicine to get the fireworks. If you are taking it in form of bark your body has to digest all that woody material, free the alkaloids from the cell walls, and then absorb them into the bloodstream. This means keeping a much larger amount of material down for much longer. So it's quite likely that just tossing back some bark and seeds, not only will the digestion and purge be significantly moar difficult, the potential to misfire from not sufficiently absorbing the alkaloids is much higher.

In order to get around the nausea/vomiting you need to build up the Harmala reverse tolerance a good bit, which will do away with the nausea/vomiting and clean up the body load, and allows you to handle stronger dosages more easily. Even with strong dosages of Harmalas and DMT, there's no nausea/vomiting as long as the Harmala reverse tolerance is built up, though the DMT's intensity can still make you vomit but that's more voluntary ime rather than forced like it is in the beginning.

I see so the purging is actually a purification that you look for... good to know, im up for it then!

Thanks for all the advices, Im gonna brew it into a shot.

I'm gonna try with 2g of syrian rue and 8g of mimosa for the first time.

If I brew it and then keep the liquid in the fridge for a while, will it still be good? for how long can I keep it refrigerated?

Also, I noticed we always talk about alkaloids being released in the water during the brew, but apart DMT, what other alkaloids are there? I read that alkaloids always have either pharmachological, psychotropic, or stimulant effects.

Whoa now, hold it right there.

Your rue dose is rather on the low end and that mimosa dose is way too high. Assuming average quality mimosa bark, no one should ever need 8 grams, especially for their very first attempt.

My advice would be to go ahead and brew up 10 grams of rue and 10 grams of mimosa, keep them separate. Start with 2-3 grams worth of rue, wait and see if you get strong effects from it, if not, up the dose another gram (or two if you are a real hardhead for this stuff). When you are feeling heavy and dizzy and stoned and nauseated from the rue, then start with 2 grams of mimosa with just a teeny sip of rue to help protect the spice on its way down. If after a good 45 minutes to an hour your not sufficiently off your rocker, then add another gram of mimosa with a teeny sip of rue to help it down.

You can always add moar if you are underwhelmed, you can't take away what you've already dosed when you find yourself overwhelmed. Approaching such powerful teachers with humility always gives better results than bravado.

If for any reason you misfire you have an extra dose or two available, if all goes well, it stores fine for a long time in the freezer and you now have a foundation for what dose level is right for you.

Play safe now

Useful thread. Potential access to the "magic". Simple, but not so EASY.
Personally, I love the "teas".

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=52019

Tried yesterday with 5g rue and 5g mimosa... but no results.

There was a body high and maybe some nausea, but no hallucinations and mental effects. I took it with a friend and we both felt like this.

I brewed the mimosa powder for 3 times 1 hour at medium heat and the rue seeds (not powdered) just one time for 2 hours, always medium heat (not boiling but close). I noticed the bark was smelling at the first brew but it stopped at the second.
We brewed in the morning and separated the liquids into 2 rounds of shots. Took the first rue at 14:50 and the mimosa at 15:20 and after another 30 minutes went for the second round of rue and mimosa at the same time. The rue tasted bad but nothing impossible to hold down, while the mimosa was totally fine, quite a neutral taste. So, is that normal? I was expecting the most horrible taste ever...

We took it empty stomach, been fasting since the evening before.

Any Idea why it didn't work?

My guess would be that our stomaches were on pause and didn't really digest anything. But I don't know much of the dynamics of digestion/absorption and MAO inhibition, so I can't really guess much.

I read that post carefully and at some point a couple of people seem to suggest eating something right after ingesting the ayahuasca to start a digestion process, cause otherwise no effects are felt.

Learn to make a proper tea so you can have multiple doses back to back, just in case nothing happens, instead of gobbling down grams of material.

EDIT: Nevermind, that's my fault, I didn't read thoroughly enough above, apologies. Though it'd be wise to have a few dosages concentrated down and set aside just in case. Cheers.