So my friend's pet goldfish has been experimenting with changa out of a pipe. It is going okay but is not getting good results from it. He is thinking about trying it in a joint since he has read that several people have had success with this. What is a good recipe for something like this? I know there are plenty of recipes in general out there for changa but rolling a joint with various leaves that burns well like a marijuana joint can be tricky. B caapi, frankly is vile to smoke. Mullein is smooth but it seems to be very finicky or burns way to easily and I don't want my joint catching fire. He's not really comfortable with mixing spice and marijuana yet. Has anyone had a recipe for changa in a joint that burns nice and slow, stays lit and gets you into blast off territory? Thanks.

It really depends on what you mean by "good results"
If you want to break through, a pipe or a joint isn't going to get you there.
The idea is to get to whole amount in 2 or 3 hits. A bong is ideal because it allows you to take it all in one hit.

A joint will give you a lighter experience. Damiana is a plant that burns nice if you like that particular smell and sweet taste.

"Staying lit" depends on what paper you use for rolling it. Cigarettes stay lit because they have substances that accelerate the burning process, but those are harmful. Why would you need it to stay lit? Joints with weed don't even stay lit - unless you're constantly taking hits. Do you want to smoke DMT like cigarettes? Sounds to me like you're going about it the wrong way.

What are you aiming for?
Again, if it's blast off, using a pipe or joint burns the DMT thus destroying a large portion of it; you need to slowly burn the changa at low heat in order to vaporize it in a glass piece or a bong and take it in in 3 hits or less.

Sometimes when i am with friends they prefer that we all trip simultaneously
First i must say that a joint is more wasteful than other methods but it works, not for breakthrough but for beautiful intense trips with friends

The idea is not to smoke it slowly as you said but to smoke it as fast as possible
Whatever herbs i am using, i place them(without the changa of course) on a metallic dish/pan and roast them on fire, vapors start coming out of the herbs and they turn darker and become crispy

Herbs i use: mint, a mix of flowers from herbal tea, a little bit of tobacco(very well roasted) to make it burn and smoke well, or any smokable herbs..
I like to mix them all together but it can be done with each herb alone, some times if we don't have any herbs we use just roasted tobacco

Dosage:
2persons 1:1 200mg enhanced leaf or changa. We could never finish the joints
4persons on heavy rue brew 1:1 300mg enhanced leaf we could only smoke 1/4 of the joint, Breakthrough experience
5persons changa(200-250mg dmt, 300mg harmalas, 250mg mint),couldn't finish it too, all very satisfied/terrified

So around 100mg 1:1 changa is required per person
60-80mg per person always left us unsatisfied

each person takes 1 big puff pass the joint and hold the smoke, right after the first puff everything becomes very weird and vibrating and until the joint reaches you for the 3rd 4th time you'd be unable and scared to smoke more

If you will be alone don't make a joint

It starts to get pretty hard to use a lighter a decent ways in. Trying to light a joint continuously, especially once it gets short, is no easy task when dmt in in the picture. I understand that a marijuana joint may go out every once in a while but that's really from just going to long without hitting it, assuming it was rolled well. I don't know what exactly the context of your question was regarding smoking dmt like a cigarette but I have no intention of doing that.

Basically just trying not to waste a lot of spice when smoking changa. Vaporizing harmalas seems to be to difficult. Question though, you seem to be implying that a bong doesn't burn spice the way a pipe or joint does. Why would that be?

These are some interesting blends. One will have to try these. Using flower based teas sounds like a good idea. Do you have a particular tea that you like? Do you find that most flower based teas burn pretty well? I actually have a flower based tea that I drink a lot. It has rooibos in it though. I don't know how well that would burn.

Yes, smoking a joint by yourself is not a good idea. Dropping it or not putting it out when you get deep in could be a serious danger.

The name of the tea is "lebanese zhourat" it's a mix of wild flowers and herbs, i select the flowers that seem good to smoke

I´ll go for the real thing. You stated in your post you that you dont want to use cannabis. Any particular reason for this?
For me and for many people around me cannabis seems to calm a lot of the pre-flight anxiety even for those who are not regular smokers.

It really depends upon the person. Mixing cannabis with psychedelics is also well known to be one of main reasons of bad trips.

Source:
https://drugs-forum.com/...-crisis-bad-trip.153034/

Some highlight quotes:
- "These are the most frequently reported causes of bad trips: Tripping with or around people you don't know or people you don't want to know you are tripping & using cannabis."

- "It is not advised to attempt poly-drug combinations unless the user has considerable experience with the psychedelic state. Cannabis, especially, is frequently reported to be the cause of bad trips when taken in conjunction with a hallucinogen."

Thing is that cannabis have unpredictable strong synergies with psychedelics, especially when smoking before the peak of psychedelic. Things can go extremely wonderful, but they also can go pretty paranoic, bad trippish etc.. I have no idea how cannabis would go with DMT personally thou.

I absolutely don't wish to argue that your advice is wrong or anything. I'm just putting more information for consideration.

Good luck!

Well Invoker basically articulated my fears very well. I get very anxious on cannibis. Mixing that feeling with dmt is a very bad idea for me. Also I am still relatively new to dmt and it is still extremely intense for me. I am not comfortable starting to mix it with other psychedelics yet.