I agree music is always a tell of the drugs popularly used in a culture... lsd produced such amazing bands and art as well as thought... this interweb for instance...
we could see a similar change due to an influx of dmt in mainstream culture... LSD prompted recycling and eastern psychologies introduction to the west out side of mere intellectual discourse... what will DMTs influence be?
look at what spice did for the empire?

I used to listen to A LOT of underground hip hop, but a few years ago I got more into reggae, dub, afro-beat, and some different world music... recently, I've been craving some new hip hop though, but I've been out of the hip hop loop for a while, so it's cool to hear some new stuff... I'm really feeling that Bobby Ray dude! K-os is dope, fractal, I've been into him for a while...

here are some of my reccomendations...


Noah23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHAwpsD9cOY
http://www.youtube.com/w...Xuzs&feature=related

Blackalicious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3EE0ykxjq4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c63oYeNg2O4

Visionaries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqoQdV9YKAQ

Pep Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0JpftUk7w

Saul Williams
http://www.youtube.com/w...7CS4&feature=related

Aesop Rock
http://www.youtube.com/w...nclY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/w...Mwb4&feature=related

Lyrics Born and Lateef
http://www.youtube.com/w...DALA&feature=related

Eligh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaUQxQkioR0

if u guys advocate a more widespread revival with dmt, then legalization should be also be advocated so synthesis would be a legitimate option. mhrb is cute and all, but it doesn't compare to yields that could be had from synthetic routes.

otherwise staying underground is appropriate, methinks

How does one advocate legalization? Church of the Holy Light of the Queen v. Mukasey seems to have established precedent. Where do we go from here?

EDIT: My bad, CHLQ v. MUKASEY rested on precedent of GONZALEZ v. UDV.
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K

underground is fine... over legislation is the name of the game now... at least until one gets caught one si free to do as they please... once legalization occurs, you have thousands of people with their fingers on it making a mess of things...

no decriminalization theres an idea... make it non criminal but keep it out of the laws all together...

good question

the science community is doing their part by conducting legitimate research, looking at dmt (and other psychs like psilocybin) as having possible therapeutic value; it's slowly becoming more accessible to researchers.

enthusiasts should become more informed, as you did by citing a relevant court case, and become involved with various groups like MAPS or some other legitimate group that favors law reform.

what doesn't help is seeing these damn youtube vids. I will flag the shit out of them until the cows come home, these people are hurting the cause. Widespread abuse is the primary reason for a compound to be put in C-I scheduling, and although dmt abuse isn't exactly widespread, seeing it on youtube certainly won't help matters.

yup, good guess. I'm pretty sure it's dentistry, gotta have skillz to put in grillz.

As to mainstreaming psychedelics...The 60's and 70's, the mass use of LSD, cannabis, and mushrooms, among other substances was a huge hindrance to the legalization and legitimacy of psychedelics. The widespread and blatant use of these substances struck fear into the hearts of those who would control the people they govern, as well as the uninitiated, who were fed misinformation and lies. As a result of this, despite mountains of evidence, it has been insanely hard over the past 40 years to get even the occasional study on psychedelics approved. Strassman's DMT research, Doblin's psilocybin study, and the current MAPS MDMA for PTSD study have all showed, overwhelmingly, that psychedelics have tremendous potential. Yet, we are still mired in the drug war and negative stereotypes of psychedelics as a result of federal and public fear that has been harnessed and utilized to continue to keep psychoactive substances illegal.

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That's the reason they give, anyway. The other rationale is no medical application and no safe medical use and we all see how true that is for cannabis, MDMA, psilocybin mushrooms, dmt (especially when arguing for non-religious, medicinal use of ayahuasca) and many others. The given reasons and the real reasons do not always align.

the definition of abuse seems rather relative in some circles...
seems more like a values conflict...

I would say that the greedy slavelords making rediculous and oppresive laws, fearing the open, truth seeing minds of the public were a huge hindrance to the legalization and legitimacy of psychedelics...credit should be given where credit is due.

Can you really blame the psychedelic people of the 60's and 70's?? I bet you would be right in there with them..I know I would have been. I dont see what they really did that was so wrong..from what I can tell they decided war was bad and freedom of expression and ecstacy was good..I dont blame them.

This site and all of us might not evenbe here if it wasn't for those who went before us..I commend them..our psychedelic forefathers(and mothers )

It seems that they have won when we start blaming the oppression of this stuff on the very ones who brought it out in the open anyway(where it should be)..we have nothing to hide..people deserve to know..they deserve to have the expereince as well..no one should be denied the medicine.

If you thought you had found the gates to heaven, wouldnt you want to show others?

My motivating thought since discovery. But how do you discuss these matters openly? How do you "show others" or even bring up the topic in serious discussion?

It's like finding the keys to heaven and nobody cares.

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K

I know ..I have treid over and over to get my dad to eat mushrooms with me. Of all the people I want to trip with I want to trip with my dad It would be sooo amazing to share that with him.

or hell

society is programmed to be consumption-driven, their ego is materialistic.
destroying that sense of identity and exposing it as illusion/farce is a frightening thing to many, something they're not willing to do.

besides, many so called straight-laced types see the psychedelic experience as drug-induced madness, and it carries a negative connotation with them.

^^^^^^^^ Exactly, given the fact that many people cling to their narrow perceptions of reality, psychedelics cause great distress among the straight folks. I think we can all agree that there's really no way to describe a psychedelic experience to someone with no reference points for it in a manner that they can comprehend. As a result, you get people conceptualizing all kinds of crazy shit that just doesn't happen or happens very rarely/when people do stupid shit/don't take set and setting seriously.

As to the attitude of the psychedelic era...Given the fact that open use was normal for users of psychedelics of the time, you're probably right, I most likely would've been there right along side them. However, by no means does that make such open use smart or not short-sided...I think that, yes, it is the fault of those in charge, but had those using the substances showed a little more restraint, perhaps keeping use somewhat underground, or at least not taking it to the same degree of publicity, it would have been possible to engender more favorable attitudes towards psychedelics. Granted, it's all speculation so...

Then again, Leary briefly got cannabis legalized (for what? like a year?) and the powers that be found a way to re-criminalize it, so they were gonna do what they were gonna do.

If indeed it would be a drug-induced form of madness (a delerium), than you would expect it to be harmfull.

However, peyote and ayahuasca have both proven to have beneficial health effects.

How could anything that contributes to a good physical AND mental health, be a dangerous deleriant?
An improvement in mental health cannot coincide with a delerium. That's almost a complete contradiction.

totally... and even if it is just drug induced maddness thats exactly what many of us need to knock us out of the consumer trance...

drug induced madness! come swirl your dervished soul! come listen to the beep click futuristic licks of serpent king ektoplazm surging forth from crystalline nectar, NO WAIT, Harmonics from a ka trillion miles folded flapping and it tickles. RUN TO THE HILLS. SIT WHEN YOU GET THERE.

now that may be, but you'd have a hard time convincing said types.
methinks it would just be a better idea to let them be, than try to coercively convert them into observers of the psychedelic subculture. it would be a waste of time and energy; only the receptive would be willing to listen, and let's face it, there aren't many of those. most people are complacent robots, let them be set in their ignorance. f 'em

Flying Lotus got introduced to dmt just recently (he´s spreading the word, read the myspace posts). He´s not a traditional hip-hop artist (many of his tracks aren´t actually hip-hop)..

http://www.myspace.com/flyinglotus

http://www.youtube.com/v/siRM7zdvVvU

http://www.youtube.com/v/N3JwBx7f0V8

http://www.youtube.com/v/fWjXGh8n2j8

Brilliant!


Much Peace and Happiness

his style was obviously influenced by dilla and dabrye