yah i think it was someone who put that video to the song... nice song but still... ehhhh damn...

wow..heres a better version..I think he changed it a bit..
http://www.youtube.com/w...AE1M&feature=related

Yea, my fault, i've been following these guys for a while (B.o.B. since he was 17) so i still think of em as underground. B.o.B. is breaking into the mainstream kinda, but his true abilities and lyrical content are never gonna be realized by the mainstream, so i still consider him underground.

As for CuDi, you're correct, alternative hip-hop would be more appropriate than underground. Man on the moon is a sick concept album based on his dreams and psyche, it's broken into acts and well titled, to say the least:

Act I: The End of Day
1. "In My Dreams (Cudder Anthem)"
2. "Soundtrack 2 My Life"
3. "Simple As..."

Act II: Rise of the Night Terrors
4. "Solo Dolo (Nightmare)"
5. "Heart of a Lion (Kid Cudi Theme Music)"
6. "My World" (featuring Billy Cravens)

Act III: Taking a Trip
7. "Day 'n' Nite (Nightmare)"
8. "Sky Might Fall"
9. "Enter Galactic (Love Connection Part I)"

Act IV: Stuck
10. "Alive (Nightmare)" (featuring Ratatat)
11. "Cudi Zone"
12. "Make Her Say" (featuring Kanye West and Common)
13. "Pursuit of Happiness (Nightmare)" (featuring MGMT and Ratatat) Ratatat

Act V: A New Beginning
14. "Hyyerr" (featuring Chip tha Ripper)
15. "Up Up & Away (The Wake & Bake Song)"

Yea, or just use it up, bleed it dry & add it to the giant garbage heap of other fads that have gone through the hard core materialist consumer culture disposal. Maybe they can even get the source plants made illegal in the process if they work hard enough.

WS

^^ Sadly, true. Seems inevitable. =/

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the majority of hip hop... note majority... is propaganda of the colonialist consumer culture where consumer culture materialism goes so does hip hop... its not the music... look at the video the way of life, look at how it transforms other cultures here... this is fucking mongolia...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKOC3_BR1tE

perhaps hip hop is a by product or a artistic response to consumer postindustrial society... or perhaps it is a way of thinking and perceiving that comes from post industrial, post colonial, consumer culture that perpetuates that way of behaving and thinking and perceiving...
I have seen counter cultural subversive underground hip hop that does nothing but perpetuate that which it is standing up against... like in punk culture how the exploited played for british television... of coarse seeds of dissent always emerge to bring down that which needs to fall from within but it does so in a way that brings newly emergent forms instead of perpetuating those destructive patterns... which is how nature works...
hip hop may be a pan cultural phenomena that is the breaking of the bricks of the tower of Babylon... the tower falling under its own weight...

I think most musical styles have all seen they're fare share of materialistic scum at one time or another...for every superficial prick there is prob likewise an underground genius..

Anyways..I think this whole rap thing really spawned from the man himself...Bob Dylan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgi2DkDbPU

heh... well i would say that i went back to african poets and public speaking based on rhythm which still continues in african socio-polictical public speaking... dylan was ripping of like most white americans, african american artists...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtiXe9568iI
enjoy here the common trend of misogynistic seen in most hip hop... once again i say most not all... post industrial consumer culture makes women a commodity... as it does nature, education, well being, health... shit anything thats not tied down...

the irony is that i really liek this song...

^good point about it going back to africa..

BTW..that song is weird ..and trippy!..If only I could speak mongolian..

Guys, listen to Edan, Beauty and the Beauty. This guy is amazing, been listening to him for years. Hes way underground, but his stuff is top notch, pure psychedelic hip hop. He makes all his own beats, digs for his own records, hes hip hop in physical from. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P__LuA0vPLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OV7Fw1LXww

that shit is ill...like first wave hip-hop, rapping about styles and wordplay.
ha, that second one is over Tim McNealy's old funk 45, "sagittarius black". nice.

sorry, obliguhl...we took the thread and turned it into a who's who in underground contemporary urban music

I would posit that mainstream hip-hop is materialistic, without question. If you look at the history though, it makes sense. Hip-hop was derailed by white record execs who started to pay for a super-materialistic culture and make it marketable. If you pay people real good money to act like idiots, they probably will. Even in the mainstream there are a lot of smart people who write dumb/materialistic music. For example, Paul Wall has a Doctorate and David Banner has either a Doctorate or Masters degree, i cant remember which. However there's a lot of ant-materialist stuff in the underground. Examples would include Blue Scholars, Common Market, Soulstice, Classified, Ill-Literacy, Immortal Technique...

Hip-hop's roots don't require materialism, but it was an easy way to turn a powerful outlet, a voice of the oppressed into bullshit ringtone rap. A lot of people have figured it out and I believe the underground is slowly going to bleed into the mainstream and eventually re-take its rightful place as Hip-Hop.

Paul Wall has a doctorate? in what, dentistry/orthodontics?

johnny dang must be his supervising professor

There's Doctor Dre and Doctor Octagon too, loads of them!

So am I the only one who thinks that DMT going mainstream is a good thing? I think it could pick up where acid left off. Acid changed society for the better, and anyone who says otherwise is I think just sulking because we don't all live in a eutopian fantasy yet as some hoped. DMT could pick up where acid left off, I think it could break open a lot of heads that need breaking open.

And isn't it selfish to want to keep DMT secret? The Amazonians told Westerners about it after all, it isn't ours to keep secret. It's a gift to be passed on. It is probably this very site responsible for the recent rise in the passing-on of the gift.

I actaully think that mass consumption of LSD was a good thing as well..I think mass consumption of these things can't do any more harm then we are already doing to ourselves..

Not selfish, just the only option right now (it seems to me). My first experience made me want to run down the streets naked proclaiming the glory and awe of this wonderful substance... only to have just about everyone look at me like a loon.

As real as these "other" places seem to us, it WILL be lumped into the category "drugs" regardless of the benefits. There really is no way around it, short of a breakdown of our government.

The masses can't accept a 24 hour CURE to opiate/meth addiction (iboga). The masses can't accept the medicinal use of marijuana. The masses aren't ready for "enlightnement" or to travel outside their 9-dots. Better to drown in depressants (alcohol) and uppers (caffeine).

It isn't selfish, it's necessary.

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K

the boat is sinking anyway..might as well throw every liferaft we have into the mix..
Well..thats how I feel sometimes anyway..

Sadly, I often wish the boat would sink. Seems the only way forward.

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K

^true..sad, but true.