hellspawn1 wrote:I've only orally consumed a few brugmansia seeds to prevent nausea and to enhance cactus trips, what I noticed was that the "dreamy" sensation of getting lost in complete fantasy thought patterns got more pronounced. Many moments of standing around immersed internally, watering imaginary plants, not that they were actually in front of me or that I believed they were, more like forgetting that I was just daydreaming the whole scenario before snapping out of it, realizing I've been watering imagined plants for a good 15 minutes or so. I can picture how going overboard easily could erase the boundary between real and unreal entirely.
With topical use it's easier to find the the sweet spot between just about right and going too far, that being said it shouldn't be taken as a go-ahead to rub whole handfuls all over yourself because losing control is very possible this way too, just slightly more forgiving if applied gradually with time in between. At some point it hits, and once it does the last thing you want to think is "uh-oh" because you pushed it too far, underrating the mixture. You could always apply more later if you haven't yet reached desired plateu, but there's no way to undo an excessive amount once absorbed already.
It has a very subtle way of sneaking up on you, going from "nothing happens" to "hmm not sure if this is normal or not" to "Wtf!ghhbwphhhxxrrbl", which only makes it more prone to taking a turn in the wrong direction.
Mandrake root is said to be a bit easier to work with compared to the others, although this information might come down to anecdotal experiences. A mixture of datura and belladonna gave me more of flushing sensations with faster onset and additional energy, whereas mandragora more slowly crept up on me and didn't really affect me much physcially but made me quite sleepy and sedated.
They all seem to affect dreams a lot during regular sleep for an extended period of time after use. Insidious entities making themselves known and such, seemingly due to their energetic connection to the tropane plants and their special other-dimensional frequencies.
Tropane travel pros:
Immersive dream construction very possible when pinpointing the right amount. Conversations with self can be rewarding if recorded once sorting out the valuable parts afterwards (96% random mindless babbling 4% accurate stuff that could stem from a subconcious resource to be tapped for insights)
Tropane travel cons: (besides the obvious dangers and side effects)
Submerged "underwater" or "mental lock" feeling, similar to overdoing ganja (thought process slowed down to snail pace, unable to keep any real trail of thought) but with added dreadful vibes. Some actually seek this out or even see an advantage in this, because it's easier to face frightenting events and illusions when dumbed down to a "huh?"-state of mind.
When I would speak to people in my tropane delirium, who were not actually there, it was always as if I was speaking with the actual person, and not my minds image of that person or what that person would say, these people did not say "what you think they would", They speak to you as they would in real life...I'll get back to this later.
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my friend Joe took datura with me and my girlfriend at the time once, at one point he said the urinary retention was so horrible that he had to sit on the toilet and just let his urine slowly drip out, while on the toilet he believed he was speaking with me, he was looking at the bathtub where the large silver faucet protrudes from the wall, he said I was "sticking half-way out of the wall" and that the silver faucet looked like a large silver gun in my hand, he said he talked with "me" for a few hours without ever thinking anything unusual about the situation, the fact that I was sticking out of a walk with half a body and a gun never struck him as odd...
...me and my girlfriend at the time spent about 2.5 days in a restless half-coma, half-delirium stupor. We we laying on the side of my friends house, all night I thought he was walking around to us (on a wooded deck that was not there in real life) and telling us to leave, I would tell him "we can't! You have to let us rest this out!"...none of it ever happened.
In one dream I remember seeing an old friend across a field, almost instantly he was next to me and we were talking, it never struck me as odd that he instantly traversed an entire field...
the eyes open hallucinations were worse, I would see my clothing rising from my dresser drawers like snakes, and when I would run to shut the drawers I found they were never open, and that even the cloths sticking out from them were hallucinations...I took a shower, I kept grabbing at shampoo bottles that were not there, it was horribly confusing, because I would honestky believe the bottle to be resting on the shelf in front of me, then as you reach for it it swirls away in a fit of hallucination. I could also see a translucent dancing "mist" surrounding objects...I would smoke cigarettes that would fall out of my hand and "melt" into my leg or the floor, I was eating food that was not there...I could keep going on, though I really don't want to discuss these things, I just felt I eventually had to share this...
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It's said the Zuni used these plants to talk to the dead or foretell the future, remember how I said when you speak with "phantom friends" on these plants how it's like you were talking with the actual person? Perhaps having a datura event where you saw a dead relative would be a lot like actually meeting with that individual...
...though none of this was pleasant, I still gained
some value from these ordeals...you must keep in mind, this entire time you are experiencing vast physical distress and discomfort, and the mental state is worse, it's as if you can feel the toxins scrambling your brain, you are confused, you feel stupid, you can not complete thoughts, it's hard to swallow, you feel as if at any minute you might fall over dead...I can't stress the discomfort (physically and mentally) enough, it's like torture, ...which is why I also understand these plants potential as weapons, well, in Viet nam they would gas a town with BZ, and then while the town was in a state of confusion and stupor the soldiers could move through...the below excerpts, while repeats, seem to demonstrate this:
Quote:The James-Town Weed (which resembles the Thorny Apple of Peru, and I take to be the plant so call'd) is supposed to be one of the greatest coolers in the world. This being an early plant, was gather'd very young for a boil'd salad, by some of the soldiers sent thither to quell the rebellion of Bacon (1676); and some of them ate plentifully of it, the effect of which was a very pleasant comedy, for they turned natural fools upon it for several days: one would blow up a feather in the air; another would dart straws at it with much fury; and another, stark naked, was sitting up in a corner like a monkey, grinning and making mows [grimaces] at them; a fourth would fondly kiss and paw his companions, and sneer in their faces with a countenance more antic than any in a Dutch droll.
In this frantic condition they were confined, lest they should, in their folly, destroy themselves—though it was observed that all their actions were full of innocence and good nature. Indeed, they were not very cleanly; for they would have wallowed in their own excrements, if they had not been prevented. A thousand such simple tricks they played, and after eleven days returned themselves again, not remembering anything that had passed.
— Robert Beverley, Jr., The History and Present State of Virginia, Book II: Of the Natural Product and Conveniencies in Its Unimprov'd State, Before the English Went Thither, 1705 -Wikipedia
Quote:Ancient psycho-chemical use
The use of chemicals to induce altered states of mind dates back to antiquity and includes the use of plants such as thornapple (Datura stramonium) that contain combinations of anticholinergic alkaloids. In 184 B.C., Hannibal's army used belladonna plants to induce disorientation.[citation needed]
Use by indigenous peoples
Records indicate that in 1611, in the British Jamestown Colony of Virginia, an unidentified, but toxic and hallucinogenic, drug derived from local plants was deployed with some success against the white settlers by Chief Powhatan.[3]*
In 1881, members of a French railway surveying expedition crossing Tuareg territory in North Africa ate dried dates that tribesmen had apparently deliberately contaminated with Egyptian henbane (Hyoscyamus muticus, or H. falezlez), to devastating effect.
-Wikipedia
In European witchcraft these are "hexing herbs", used in power magic...which has never been my thing, I don't understand it well.
-eg