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#1 Posted : 2/8/2017 7:19:37 PM
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Like who and how the pyramids were built? new Physics/Math facts?
 

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#2 Posted : 2/8/2017 9:45:57 PM

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Yes I got many answers at once many times, but when coming down... I wasnt capable to hold any of them. And when I was told I am to small of a being to comprehend the complexity of the universe, I gave up.

But I dont think you need dmt to find out who build the pyramids...
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#3 Posted : 2/8/2017 10:04:08 PM

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Here is one of those "Is the dmt realm real" questions.

Do you think when you journey out that you are actually pulled out of your physical brain/body and what you experience isn't cataloged by the physical parts of your brain that record memories and as a result when you "come back" there are no memories in there to be retrieved?
 
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#4 Posted : 2/8/2017 10:51:26 PM

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No, it is just a molecule. It can put you in a state of mind that is conducive to new ideas and ways of thought, but it can not deliver prophetic messages from the ether any more so than table salt.
 
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#5 Posted : 2/8/2017 11:05:23 PM

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It's based upon belief whether DMT can do this or not.

Wildly guessing that the number in your name suggests that you really are born in 1995 and further assuming that you grew up in an educated country in a western sense of education let me say that when people are talking about plant teachers and the like those are not to be compared with a teacher in school you might be used to.

Now, I don't have a lot of experience with DMT to be honest. But the things I learned are mostly about emotional growth. That doesn't necessarily mean it is limited to that realm. I would however strongly discur with anybody who claims any psychedelic is an open history book. Most psychonauts, even the seasoned ones would be happy to get a clear picture of the table of content, let alone the content itself.

Let's say you are somebody who wants to build a pyramid on your own and you have a certain problem in doing so. Psychedelics may or may not give you a helpful shift in perspective on how to work around that problem. They may give you a mindpsace to accept an unconventional approach or view on a certain topic.

If you would compare knowledge to a language then you might get a huge array of different hypothetical grammar, but not a single word. Those you would have to find yourself. Maybe you start to think you have figured out how to formulate the unified field theory, only to find in the end it is only applicable in a universe with a different Plack length. Or even worse, to find you just thought you figured it out but instead made a fool of yourself. Or you find out that making a fool of yourself in the end isn't even that bad. Or you find, that all those thoughts are fractalizing into endlessness and they only appear to be different in the first place, because you did't change your perspective accordingly.

And I strongly believe that psychedelics have one special property: The power to shatter beliefs.
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#6 Posted : 2/8/2017 11:34:51 PM

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I feel like DMT is more about personal discovery and growth, things that might seem vague and airy but still of practical use. I mean, it certainly shows us things about the world as well but it is the world in relation to ourselves.

As far as new facts and other concrete things, it might show you something you'd already known but just.. didn't know you knew? If that makes sense. It's like it takes you a step to the left or right or below or above and you have a new perspective. The difference between being a puzzle piece and being the one putting the puzzle pieces together. The puzzle (or life or physics or whatever the case may be) isn't new but your perspective on it is. Suddenly it all makes sense. It all comes together in a way you might not have imagined previously.

That's obviously just my experience, though. I haven't discovered a new formula for the philosopher's stone with DMT but hey, there's still time.
 
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#7 Posted : 2/10/2017 3:57:11 AM

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I think the general theme of this thread is that it alters your thought patterns, whether you perceive prophetic messages from that alteration is subjective and dependent on the person alone (atheists and skeptics being less likely here I would imagine, lol).

IME it is just so lovely to feel a different way of thinking and existing. We live and think in the same way constantly for SO long, it becomes stuffy and it is a welcome relief TBH. I have given up on trying to find truth or hidden truth and now focus on curiosity of interpreting known facts differently and also focusing on finding peace and contentment through not thinking so much. Wink
 
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#8 Posted : 2/10/2017 5:02:46 AM

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I don't think being a skeptic or atheist is going to have a huge impact on the actual experience so much as how it is interpreted. I commonly have visions of religious imagery and deities. One experience in particular, I interpreted as religion being the easy way out and a cop out in life rather than carving my own path.
 
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it can give you as much answers as a cool afternoon in the forest, or a sunrise on the mountain side, or as a grain of salt, as psybin put it. A lot or a little, its right in front of you.. sometimes answers, and usually more questions, always accompanied with a wide grin and a laugh.
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#10 Posted : 2/10/2017 7:17:51 AM

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syberdelic wrote:
I don't think being a skeptic or atheist is going to have a huge impact on the actual experience so much as how it is interpreted. I commonly have visions of religious imagery and deities. One experience in particular, I interpreted as religion being the easy way out and a cop out in life rather than carving my own path.


That is exactly what I said. That is why I said "whether you perceive prophetic messages from that alteration is subjective and dependent on the person alone". You misinterpreted what I said. What I was saying is that religious people tend to have a bias to look for that kind of information within the data while atheists and skeptics have a bias to tend to exclude that sort of information.
 
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#11 Posted : 2/10/2017 5:33:10 PM

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n0thing wrote:
syberdelic wrote:
I don't think being a skeptic or atheist is going to have a huge impact on the actual experience so much as how it is interpreted. I commonly have visions of religious imagery and deities. One experience in particular, I interpreted as religion being the easy way out and a cop out in life rather than carving my own path.


That is exactly what I said. That is why I said "whether you perceive prophetic messages from that alteration is subjective and dependent on the person alone". You misinterpreted what I said. What I was saying is that religious people tend to have a bias to look for that kind of information within the data while atheists and skeptics have a bias to tend to exclude that sort of information.


Sorry about that. I have a tendency to get caught up in details and sometimes miss the forest for the trees. I just wanted to make sure there was a separation between the message/visions and the interpretation. I consider myself spiritual but also skeptical and that duality definitely rears it's head in the way I decipher/integrate my trips.
 
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#12 Posted : 2/12/2017 12:04:10 PM

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Psybin wrote:
No, it is just a molecule. It can put you in a state of mind that is conducive to new ideas and ways of thought, but it can not deliver prophetic messages from the ether any more so than table salt.


How can you be so sure? I'm pretty sure you can't!

With that being said, I think some of what one experience in hyperspace comes from within oneself.

Last time I had a breakthrough I was shown a law of nature that transcends all other laws of nature, "everything is eternal without beginning or without end". Sounds simple perhaps but "they" showed me visually what it means and "they" opened up the capacity of my brain so that I could see it and understand it. At that moment it made perfectly sense and I understood it perfectly! Now it is a memory, true or not.

This could just be my imagination, constructed by my mind, or it is something else. Who knows? Nobody knows for sure, and that makes DMT so intriguing. Is it real, or isn't it? I have no idea, and to be honest, it doesn't matter. The experience is the same.

I think it's important to understand that one should be careful believing everything in hyperspace to be true. I know for a fact that SOME of the things one see in hyperspace comes from our selves, from within. I have learned to navigate with this in mind. However, for the most part I get the feeling that I DO leave my body and travel to other dimensions. I understand that it could all be "just in my mind" and I just don't bother about about it anymore. I travel to "the other side" now and then and take any positive thing I can from the experience with a small measure of belief!
 
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#13 Posted : 2/12/2017 3:59:52 PM

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Thoth95 wrote:
...new Physics/Math facts?
is reserved to those having eaten all the existing ones Pleased

Nothing more embarrassing than an entity trying to explain while beholder fall short.


Btw ^this^ is not me.
 
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#14 Posted : 2/12/2017 4:31:59 PM

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Jees wrote:
Btw ^this^ is not me.

It's exactly what George would say if he'd post his pic on a drug linked forum oô

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#15 Posted : 2/12/2017 9:01:58 PM

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Psybin wrote:
No, it is just a molecule. It can put you in a state of mind that is conducive to new ideas and ways of thought, but it can not deliver prophetic messages from the ether any more so than table salt.


Depending who you ask about it.

In my case prophetic messages are what it does deliver.
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I was told a story about a man who took a trip and came back with what we call Funktion-One's Cool
I like to think that is true, as those speakers are seriously unreal to me!
 
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I was told a story about a man who took a trip and came back with what we call Funktion-One's Cool
I like to think that is true, as those speakers are seriously unreal to me!


Any background on this? The creator is an interesting character. And those speakers are dead sexy!




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#19 Posted : 2/15/2017 4:21:50 AM

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I don't have much experience with dmt. So far the message I've taken is what I get from other psychs or even when I sit down with myself and be honest about how I conduct myself. It just had a way of presenting it in a way that I personally can't look past or spin into an excuse as to why I am how I am. I'm interested to see what will come in the future even though now I'm scared to take that next hit. Psychs have always had a way of being painful for me. I don't like what I see about myself a lot of the time.

That said, in my experiences with salvia (plain leaf, smoked) I was shown many truths that couldn't have come from meditation or reading books. Things like first hand experience of being in a child's mind. Things like where we were before our physical birth into this world. Things like the "angels" that are indeed watching us every step of the way. Also, that God is 100% living and all things made are made of life, even when a scientist would call you crazy for saying that. Reasons why we are here. What the intention of this life is. How that can be screwed up. That universal "time is an illusion" revelation, I'm sure some of you got that one.

Things that could not have come from my mind.

I believe with certain things, certain plants etc. you cross the line of just "catching" a buzz into the category of actually communicating with other beings. The term "burnt offering" comes to mind. It depends on your openness and who you are down to the core. Much like religion.

Ask me to prove it, and in your science lab I can't but in my mind, I have been shown many things. Jesus Christ spoke in parables, because it paints a picture, an image. God speaks in that same way, images. Telepathically, but not with words, with images. And "He" doesn't cast "His" pearls before swine, or before the time is right for said person.

These things offer a different perspective yes, but that is not all. They can show you things that ...I can't think of a word. These beings that I saw while experimenting with salvia were not hallucinations. What they showed me, was not just a different perspective of what is already "here".

That is why it was/is as important as it is to get to know dmt well. I need to know what these entities are all about. Salvia destroys science and everything it states as "fact" (all things considered). Salvia breaks all the "rules".

If you go into it with the mindframe of "it's just hallucinations and salvorin A effecting your nervous system", that's all you're going to get. There is something very real going on here.

Matthew 11-17:11 He (Jesus) replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it."

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#20 Posted : 2/15/2017 5:21:34 AM
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absolutely! homie had his epiphany to the structure of dna on acid.. Different perspectives can help you put things together differently or see something in a new way

 
 
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