Hello so Ive been basically forced to take antipsychotics and antidepressants for getting angry at society and speaking out about it, I like fairyland(love) and village life I swore that if I were to ingest western chemicals I would make my own chemicals but unfortunately I am dealing with kinda controlling people I take 5mg of lexapro a day which I've been cheaking for the past couple of days tonight will be the third and about 10mg of perphanazine. I hate how these chemicals make me feel and the less I take them the more like myself I feel. So I was wondering what the bare minimum I have to be off these meds is. I would really like to go on a spirit journey on January 28th and was wondering if i stop today(ill get a lot of feedback from doctors and program people) if they'll be out of my system enough to journey. And I was wondering is their anything to help me detox from these meds in the mean time like dandelion tea or something. I really don't like how detached and corporate these meds make me feel. I am an aquarius and I yearn to be free. I will be honest I jumped the gun a little bit and tried 8grams of acacia and 3grams syrian and i definitely felt a presence but it said straight forward get off your meds they are killing you seek guidance and i will help you.

14 days for lexapro according to this website: https://www.drugs.com/amp/dosage/lexapro.html

You should consult your doctor though

Btw, how will you sort the genuine entheogen experience from a psychotic manifestation? Do you have in mind entheogens may actually enchance psychotic experiences instead of treating them?

From what - and how - you said in the OP, you seem far from ready or fit to such experience

What exactly is your situation where you are forced to take pharmaceuticals?

-eg

I am in a program where i have to take them

Also I meditate at least two hours a day. I am ready I know i am ready. So if i stop taking these medications is the diet the same for acacia and syrian as it is for caapi and chacruna. I have done it before 4 years ago before i was medicated and saw so much that I'm still hashing out honestly it was a drug induced psychosis, i was naive and there was a hurricane about to hit my town the one that hit nyc was destined for CNY so i thought it would be wild to look for datura in the hours before the storm and then i found it growing in a random garden and decided two pods should be good, crazy experience i went to the hospital for walking around without pants. I was having tea parties in ditches on the side of the road and being eaten by monsters. took awhile to recover. I was a huge pot head for awhile and did a lot of hallucinogens found it to be rather empty and strange in a social setting. aya has been calling my name for awhile telling me i am destined for spiritual work so honestly i am just outreaching for any advice and also why not to mix aya and pharmys i mean i can feel on an ethereal realm why not to and i also don't want to disrespect the sacred marriage i only want to teach what i know and learn what i don't and leave a fine haze in the middle. So I am just looking for some ideas on the matter and strengthen what i find sacred which is respect for thou born before me until the jade gates open up to love understanding and protection. I am compassionate by spirit so i am not going to mix these substances without knowing it is safe for me and the greater

Honestly I would normally wait and not rush such a thing but i feel aya crying out to me and i want to help i feel i must so i need to know what to do i don't usually ask for guidance but she told me to. Like sexuality too i see a smorgis board of direction on that and i am a very sexual person and am currently in flux how i should treat it during the coming days

Please ensure all medications are fully out of your system, let your prescribing physician know you want to try taking an MAOI and listen to their advice.

Start with 1 gram of rue and no acacia, approach with caution and work up to the right dosage for you. Only then start adding acacia, again starting low. Contact your prescribing physician immediately if you encounter any issues or anything feels off.

Don't rush things, be careful, be safe. I have to admit I agree with Diazin. If you are bring prescribed these medications, you may not be the best candidate for these particular botanicals.

Have you considered starting with a low dose of mushrooms as a safer introduction to these realms?

Mushrooms are hard for me to get, I did amanitas a handful of times and had some good clarity. Transcending the realms of death, ill take your advice, I'm truly just sick of my dad basically forcing me into these kinds of situations he's not even my real dad. I just want to control my own destiny and stop letting people steer me especially because I always find myself in stupid situations

Program? Does this mean you have had chronic issues with mental health and have been institutionalized for these issues, then upon leaving inpatient treatment were instructed to participate in a "half-way living situation" or outpatient program?

If this is the case I strongly discourage psychedelic exploration.

If you are really that determined then I guess you could talk to your doctors about getting off of your medications, have them supervise you as you stop your medications, and once you have fully stabilized free from these pharmaceuticals, and have been stable for quite some time, then would be a better time to think about exploring these psychedelic compounds, though you should be aware that those with a history of mental illness are at a high risk of regression or exacerbating prior mental illness, and have a far higher potential for negative reaction and HPPD.

It sounds like you are in a difficult situation, I don't know you personally, and I honestly think medications are far over prescribed, but if you are in a mental health program, and are working with doctors on mental health issues, and must be supervised taking anti-psychotic medication, then you may want to focus on that particular situation before you become distracted with psychedelics.

Again, if you are that determined, then you should probably wait until you have been stable for quite some time off of your pharmaceuticals before you attempt to explore entheogens. What ever you do DO NOT mix perphenazine or Escitalopram with ayahuasca.

There are many potentially dangerous drug interactions that can occur when mixing pharmaceuticals with ayahuasca, the mono amine oxidase inhibitor component (harmala alkaloids) are often the component which presents the most potential for hazardous interactions, and there are a number of pharmaceuticals which are dangerous to consume with an MAOI.

Escitalopram, which you said you were "checking" is an SSRI, combining this pharmaceutical with an MAOI could cause serotonin syndrome, resulting in a hypertensive crisis, and potentially being fatal...

I looked up perphenazine as well, nothing in depth, I just briefly read a few ncbi excerpts, though it seems perphenazine acts as a 5HT2a and 5HT2C receptor antagonist, and thus would diminish or fully block the effects of the dimethyltryptamine, or really any psychedelic for that matter. perphenazine also appeared to be an antagonist at various dopamine receptor sites...Again, I really did not look into this compound in any depth, I quickly reviewed some research papers on ncbi in direct response to this thread, so if I made any mistakes, please correct me. As this compound appears to be a serotonin antagonist, it warns below of potential for serotonin syndrome and hypertensive crisis if mixed with an MAOI, such as the harmala alkaloids found in ayahuasca....


dangerous drug interactions with mono amine oxidase inhibitors
·SSRI medications (incredibly dangerous to combine with an MAOI, presenting the risk of a hypertensive crisis, serotonin syndrome, which can be potentially fatal.)

·Tricyclic antidepressants (potential for seizures, hyperpyrexic crisis, and hypertensive crisis )

·Tetracyclic antidepressants (has potential to induce noradrenergic syndrome resulting in hypertensive crisis )

·Serotonin antagonists (potential for serotonin syndrome resulting in hypertensive crisis)

https://www.erowid.org/c.../maois_info6.shtml#Drugs
The link above goes into greater detail and covers more pharmaceuticals and potential interactions.

Just to be clear, my background is in chemistry, I'm not a doctor, who is really who you should be discussing these things with...

-eg

Thank you and I am dedicated, I was hoping for the 28th of January but will wait awhile. I haven't been taking my meds for about a week now and just notice some withdrawal symptoms and agitation. I am also going to go through a diet change and get back into yoga, I am going to minimize meats and fishes. First yoga class is sunday. I am going to discipline myself and attempt to put myself through rigorous changes and studies. I am currently reading a couple books on yoga, I just finished eastern body western mind. My situation is difficult but I am coming out a stronger person. My master is informing me that once I go through detox and make lifestyle changes I will be ready.

Also Im an aspiring artist and have noticed how much more difficult it is to do art whilst under the influence of these pharmaceuticals. Honestly my interpretation is that I'm more right brain and these left brainers are trying to understand me. Truly I just want to balance these hemispheres so I don't have to go through this again, I absolutely hate when people try to control me.

I have never used it myself, nor have I been depressed either, but there are people that swear by God that San Pedro is The One entheogen for such disorder, and it is relatively safe to consumption.

But of I were you, Id go along woth yoga for some weeks and see how things will play out before trying such substances.

For you and other people giving medical advice:

Medical emergency: what to do?


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Actually, my advice to him was this:



BUT, as decided as he seems to take aya despite of his condition and treatment with SSRI's, I just mentioned San Pedro as possibly a RELATIVELY safe option, but then warned him it was a hear-say thing, not my own experience althogheter. Then I even adviced him on waiting some more to see if he would feel better with yoga only, instead of getting into substance use.

So I feel awesome right now, I've been doing lots of meditation and stuff, had to deal with some stuff that was bothering me internally i am going to wait about a month at least and i am off me meds and don't have any problem with it.

You do get the fact that nobody can force you to take those meds? You could change the situation you're in, however.

Also, I'll be a little blunt here but we all get the injustice in the world but there is no need to repeat the stuff we all know like a parrot. There is nothing you can do about it as there are too many people in the world and you can't change opinion of everyone even if you wanted too. You want a calmer world? Start with yourself, if nobody asks for your opinion don't give one but if you have to that's why forums exist.

On a side note, your sentences seem rather disorganized and random and I would suggest that you back off a bit of the entheogens until you are more stable. In the meanwhile you could replace those pharmaceuticals with a high cbd strain of cannabis to ground you a bit as doing powerful psychedelics while not being stable is a potentially dangerous act.

Mushrooms are a safer alternative, and it's easy to grow them. Have you considered that? It's even more cost effective and you end up with a higher yield than if you would to source the plants needed for ayahuasca analogues.

If you do end up going down the rabbit hole and chose ayahuasca anyways I wish you all the luck since it is indeed a powerful and a beneficial plant medicine but certainly not for everyone.

I just remembered something that might help you, an awesome and usually safe medicine called rapé. Google it when you get some time.

Its a amazonian snuff, usually mapacho powdered and blended with other herbs and roots, that may or may not be psychoactive depending on what is into it, just be sure to pick a blending that contains nothing psychoactive or that you are allergic to. I even suggest to start with weaker, more aromatic blendings, as even in minimal amounts it is somewhat harsh to consume and already performs deep cleansening.

The only thing is that mapacho has huge amounts of nicotine if compared to ordinary tobacco, if that happens to be a problem to you. But the medicine is so strong that I doubt you will want to make use of it all day.

I know of rapé, i have yet to try it. I am coming to agree that I need to stabilize more first. I am going to start yoga and there are a lot of emotions I have to explore and heal, after all in a formal setting I know aya requires a lot of preparation for the mind body and soul. I am understanding more and more why not to just flange myself into something like this in my state of disarray after all I am a wild child but i also know my limits and it would be a gamble to ingest this sacred medicine in my current state. I like to keep the plants around as even their presence helps me. Thank you all for your honesty. I will update this forum periodically.

Yes, you can be forced to take meds if you are "certified"

This is what I was trying to ask the OP, because it sounds a lot like he is "certified"

My sister's husband's brother is schizophrenic, and is also certified, he can be placed inpatient at any time, and is required to take medications. Psychoactive substances are terrible for him, even cannabis, and psychedelics are really bad for him.

There's controversy over certification, as described here:



However, for some people, like my sister's husband's brother, it is very necessary.

There are non-chemical means of inner-space exploration as well, such as meditation, lucid dreaming, breathing exercises, brainwave entrainment, isochronic tones/binaural beats, mind-machines/dreamachines, etc...

I don't know the situation of the OP, and as I said before my background is in chemistry, so I'm not qualified to give medical advice, however I think most of what I have posted here is common sense, such as not mixing 5HT2a/c antagonists or SSRI medications with an MAOI, or becoming fully stable before exploring entheogens...regardless, I wish the OP the best, and my only real advice is that you try to always act responsibly and mindfully, with full consideration for the safety of yourself and others, and that you proceed in an educated and informed manner in your decisions.


-eg