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Tabernaemontana Sananho (Uchu/Shiric Sanango) VS Tabernaemontana Undulata (Sananga) Options
 
maranello551
#1 Posted : 12/16/2016 11:15:39 AM
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About these two plants.....

They both contain ibogaine.... correct?

I hear uchu sanango is used as aya admixture while sananga is used exclusively as eye drops. Is this true?

Can the plants be used interchangeably?

I am looking to explore one of these two....which of the two do you find to be more impressive?

If I were to work with Shiric Sanango, it would be as admixture to rue/acacia as that is what I have access to atm.
 

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#2 Posted : 12/16/2016 2:00:40 PM
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Ibogaine? Are you sure?

I was under the impression that only "iboga alkaloids" were present.

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Tabernaemontana sananho
Alkaloid info and pharmacology (Van Beek et al 1984)
Coronoaridine
CAS: 467-77-6
338.44 g/mol
The alkaloid has been tested in the mouse, cat, dog, monkey and rat by a variety of pharmacological procedures. It showed autonomic and CNS activity. In mice it produced analgesia and was effective in suppressing rage caused by foot-shock. Toxicity in the anesthetised cat appeared to be associated with respiratory depression. Coronaridine was inactive in the 9 KB system in cell culture [ 150]. In a general pharmacological screening, the compound exhibited little activity [164]. A single 30 mg/kg p.o. dose of coronaridine prevented pregnancy in rats when given on day 1, 2, 3 or 4 after coitus. When given on day 5, 6, 7 or 8 of pregnancy, the results were only partially successful. The substance showed estrogenic activity, and it was this activity which appeared to be responsible for the antifertility action. However, the alkaloid was devoid of anti-estrogenic, androgenic, anti-androgenic, progestational, anti-progestational and uterine-stimulant

3-hydroxy-Coronaridine
CAS: 56867-69-7
354.19 g/mol
The substance had strong antibiotic activity [ 382]

Ibogamine
CAS: 481-87-8
280.41 g/mol
Central-stimulating properties were observed in a general pharmacological screening, and in mice, when administered S.C. together with Rididyl i.p., the alkaloid produced jactatio capitis [164]. On iv. injection into anesthetised guinea pigs, the effects observed were the same as with ibogaine (q.v.) [221]. Ibogamine was not active in the P-388 or KB test systems in cell culture [ 353]

Voacangine
CAS: 510-22-5
368.21 g/mol
In a general pharmacological screening, voacangine exhibited a slight central stimulating effect. The LDSo i.v. in the mouse was 54 mg/kg [ 164]. When injected i.v. into anesthetised guinea pigs it produced the same effects as did ibogaine (q.v.) [221]. Voacangine had no effect on the heart [ 178]. The alkaloid was not active in the P-388 and KB test systems in cell culture
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entheogenic-gnosis
#3 Posted : 12/16/2016 2:27:30 PM
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Voacangine (12-Methoxyibogamine-18-carboxylic acid) and 18-methoxycoronaridine are found in the Voacanga africana plant, and have been quite an interest of mine, this minor research led me to Tabernaemontana species.

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18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC), which seems to be effective in treating
addiction in rats, contains the same ester group which distinguishes
voacangine from ibogaine, so it is possible that voacangine may be
effective by itself for addiction treatment, but if it comprises only 20%
of voacanga PTA HCl, side effects from the large amount of other alkaloids
may be expected and seem to have been reported by those who tried large
amounts of the bark.
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I'm actually looking for compounds which, like ibogaine, may be able to aide in the withdrawal of opioids, but which are more accessible and have little to no restrictions for research.

Iboga alkaloids are fascinating, and I remember reading an excerpt or two mentioning Tabernaemontana Sananho as being used as an ayahuasca admixture, I have not looked into this use of the plant in any more depth, but my curiosity has been piqued, and as I have the time I will be doing research in this area.

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maranello551
#4 Posted : 12/16/2016 4:43:30 PM
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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:
Ibogaine? Are you sure?

I was under the impression that only "iboga alkaloids" were present.



I am not sure.
 
entheogenic-gnosis
#5 Posted : 12/16/2016 5:52:22 PM
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maranello551 wrote:
entheogenic-gnosis wrote:
Ibogaine? Are you sure?

I was under the impression that only "iboga alkaloids" were present.



I am not sure.


Oh, I was hoping that I was wrong....

I was under the impression that both species you mentioned only contained "iboga alkaloids" such as Coronoaridine, 3-hydroxy-Coronaridine, Ibogamine, Voacangine, 18-methoxycoronaridine, etc...
it would be nice if ibogaine had been recently discovered in one of them, but ibogaine appears to be absent entirely from Tabernaemontana spp.

(However the iboga alkaloids produced May have similar "anti-addictive" properties to ibogaine, and from that perspective are just as interesting in their potential. )




Misc. Information regarding Tabernaemontana spp. And the alkaloids contained therein:

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Ibogamine

The Tabernaemontana species reported to contain ibogamine in van Beek's 1984 review were: amblyocarpa, apoda, bufalina, citrifolia, coffeoides, crassa, crassifolia, diuuricata, heyneana, olivacea, pandacaqui, quadrangularis, retusa, sananho and stapfiana.

This can be produced from coronaridine using the same process for converting voacangine into ibogaine.

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Tabernanthine

The only Tabernaemontana species reported to contain tabernanthine in van Beek's 1984 review were: crassifolia and pandacaqui.

Tabernanthine can be produced from isovoacangine using the same process for converting voacangine into ibogaine.

Isovoacangine has been reported to be present in Stemmadenia donnell-smithii, and also, according to van Beek's 1984 review, Tabernaemontana amblyocarpa, apoda, arborea, attenuata, coffeoides, crassa, divaricata, eglandulosa, longiflora, orientalis, pandacaqui, sessilifolia, siphilitica, stapfiana and wallichiana.

T. psychotrifolia in the above paper had 0.32 g coronaridine (0.03%) and 0.5 g voacangine (0.04%) from 11.9 g alkaloid from 1.2 kg of ground root.

T. oppositifolia in the above paper had 300 mg ibogamine (0.025%), 70 mg coronaridine (0.006%) and 75 mg voacangine (0.006%) from 3.5 g alkaloid from 1.2 kg of ground root.

T. australis in the above paper had 1.88 g voacangine (0.05%) from 3.5 kg of stems.

T. undulata in the above paper had 1.83 g alkaloid from 1.3 kg of stems.

In the above paper, coronaridine was efficiently decarboxylated to ibogamine in 60% ethanol with potassium hydroxide.

In post: "Tabernaemontana heyneana yielded coronaridine (0.13%) (antifertility activity in female rats, estrogenic), voacangine (0.02%)

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Voacangine

As with the Tabernaemontana there has been a lot of confusion about the species within this genus, many also having various synonyms and type specimens. It is a mostly African and Asian genus, with only one species recorded from nth Qld, Voacanga grandifolia, for which V. papuana is a synonym. This species is recorded from New Guinea, Indonesia and the Phillipines as well. It is described as not only the most widespread Asian species, but also one of the most variable.

There is an extended discussion of the alkaloids found in this genus, including their biogenesis and pharmacology.

In one species ( V. africana ) the alkaloid content has been reported as 5-10% in root bark, 4-5% in trunk bark, 0.3-0.45% in leaves and 1.5% in seeds. From a specimen of V. grandifolia in India some indication of how the alkaloid content varied over the year was recorded, for the root and trunk bark, mar was the minimum, going up to secondary maximum in jun, then falling again in jul and peaking in nov. The leaves and fruit recorded a similar pattern, though the age of the individual leaves affected the alkaloid content. The types of alkaloids recorded was very similar to those found in Tabernanthe and Tabernaemontana. For V. grandifolia the following results of alkaloid analysis are given...

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Tabernanthine

The only Tabernaemontana species reported to contain tabernanthine in van Beek's 1984 review were: crassifolia and pandacaqui.

Tabernanthine can be produced from isovoacangine using the same process for converting voacangine into ibogaine.

Isovoacangine has been reported to be present in Stemmadenia donnell-smithii, and also, according to van Beek's 1984 review, Tabernaemontana amblyocarpa, apoda, arborea, attenuata, coffeoides, crassa, divaricata, eglandulosa, longiflora, orientalis, pandacaqui, sessilifolia, siphilitica, stapfiana and wallichiana.

Ibogaline

Potentially from Tabernaemontana pachysiphon (T. humblotii; Giant Pinwheel Flower):

Although ibogaline is scarce in nature, with Van Beek's 1984 review mentioning it in only one Tabernaemontana species, T. humblotii leaf, more comonly known as T. pachysiphon, it should be simple to convert conopharyngine into ibogaline in the same way that voacangine is converted into ibogaine. Carroll and Starmer's 1967 paper claims that conopharyngine is "the major alkaloid present in the leaves of Tabernaemontana (Conopharyngia) pachysiphon var. cumminsi (Stapf) H. Huber" according to this reference: "THOMAS, J. & STARMER, G. A. (1963). The isolation and identification of the major alkaloid present in Tabernaemontana pachysiphon stapf var cumminsi (stapf) H. Huber. J. Pharm. Pharmac., 15, 487". However, a slightly later reference did not mention finding any conopharyngine at all: "Growth and Alkaloid Contents in Leaves of Tabernaemontana pachysiphon Stapf (Apocynaceae) as Influenced by Light Intensity, Water and Nutrient Supply, M. Hoft, R. Verpoorte and E. Beck, Oecologia, Vol. 107, No. 2 (1996), pp. 160-169". In a discouraging post, the prominent member Jacky on opiophile reported going to the extraordinary effort to have kilograms of dried leaf extracted by a chemist, who found the alkaloids scarce and laborious to process. Despite all this effort, Jacky didn't report any useful effects from the extract or up to 60 g of the leaf itself.

Other Tabernaemontana species reported to contain conopharyngine in van Beek's 1984 review were: attenuata, contorta, crassa, eglandulosa, fuchsiifolia, longiflora, orientalis and penduliflora. Though not noted among specied containing conopharyngine, Table 5 has a note saying that T. Ventricosa is "suitable for extracting conopharyngine" - which makes it sound most promising, as it may be so scarce as to only be detectable, but not isolatable, in other species. The reference (145) for this claim is: J.R. Geigy A.G. (U. Renner and D.A. Prins) (1962) Deutsche Auslegeschrift 1 129 500 (17/5/62).

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