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VasiDobie
#1 Posted : 11/25/2016 12:15:32 PM
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After freeze precipitation i started evaporate naphta but accidentally i took of fi ger from cool mode of my hairdryer and started heating and the crystalls started disolving they has lose half of their volume, i stoped instant the hairdryer and let it in a closet where i forgot it 3 days Embarrased . Today checked how i remebered it and all naphta has gone(nothing sticky/wet) the crystals(very white) still has the volume lower but on the bottom of the vessel has formed has formed an transparent layer that become an yelow powder when i bring it out. Is that the disolved dmt or what could be? Thanks in advance and sorry my english.
 

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entheogenic-gnosis
#2 Posted : 11/25/2016 12:48:32 PM
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VasiDobie wrote:
After freeze precipitation i started evaporate naphta but accidentally i took of fi ger from cool mode of my hairdryer and started heating and the crystalls started disolving they has lose half of their volume, i stoped instant the hairdryer and let it in a closet where i forgot it 3 days Embarrased . Today checked how i remebered it and all naphta has gone(nothing sticky/wet) the crystals(very white) still has the volume lower but on the bottom of the vessel has formed has formed an transparent layer that become an yelow powder when i bring it out. Is that the disolved dmt or what could be? Thanks in advance and sorry my english.


I tried my best to understand what you were trying to say...

So, you said you tried to freeze precipitate...and failed, no?

( DMT is soluble in hot/warm naphtha, but insoluble in cold naphtha, it sounds like you allowed your naphtha to warm up and the DMT dissolved back into it, generally you need to pour off the cold naphtha from the crystals before it has a chance to warm up Again...)

Then it sounds like you decided to let your DMT saturated naphtha sit in a closet until all the solvent had evaporated? Is this correct?

-eg
 
Nereus
#3 Posted : 11/25/2016 1:03:41 PM

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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:
VasiDobie wrote:
After freeze precipitation i started evaporate naphta but accidentally i took of fi ger from cool mode of my hairdryer and started heating and the crystalls started disolving they has lose half of their volume, i stoped instant the hairdryer and let it in a closet where i forgot it 3 days Embarrased . Today checked how i remebered it and all naphta has gone(nothing sticky/wet) the crystals(very white) still has the volume lower but on the bottom of the vessel has formed has formed an transparent layer that become an yelow powder when i bring it out. Is that the disolved dmt or what could be? Thanks in advance and sorry my english.


I tried my best to understand what you were trying to say...

So, you said you tried to freeze precipitate...and failed, no?

( DMT is soluble in hot/warm naphtha, but insoluble in cold naphtha, it sounds like you allowed your naphtha to warm up and the DMT dissolved back into it, generally you need to pour off the cold naphtha from the crystals before it has a chance to warm up Again...)

Then it sounds like you decided to let your DMT saturated naphtha sit in a closet until all the solvent had evaporated? Is this correct?

-eg


My guess is that he freeze precipitated, drained off the solvent and started evapping the remains of the nps using a hair drier (that's a NO).

Upon trying to dry the precip vessel he accidentally switched to the warm air setting and his xtals started melting. That happened because there were nps leftovers in the dish, that got warm and dissolved the alks.

He's now saying that after this issue he left the dish, untouched, in a cupboard for further evaporation. After 3 days time he went back at it, everything evapped fine and has resulted some "very white" xtals, but some tranparent goo also. He then scraped up the goods and upon further working the transparent goo with the blade, it solidified into a yellow extract that he does not know what exactly is...

I think I got it right..

Now the question is, what could it be VasiDobie?

Sure it can't be NaOH as sodium hydroxide is not soluble in any way in nps. If you did the extract with care and pulled the nps off the bark soup without sucking any of the basified layer you should be good... not to worry.

It happens often that heat pulls more lipids...it also happens often for the nps to remain trapped in the xtal structures and upon gettin warm to RT it will make your xtals melt..or it might be the case of polymorphism, where we know that DMT appears in pure form as transparent white/yellow xtals.

Edit: DMT in its natural tryptamine form should resemble a transparent oil.

Hope it helps and happy travels.
 
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#4 Posted : 11/25/2016 1:04:13 PM

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By heating with your hairdryer, a part of crystals re dissolved in the hot naphtha. And by evaporating this naphtha in the closet, the DMT cristallised again, not in the same form (white fancy pretty crystal) but in a yellow layer
No problem with that, it's still DMT and it will have the same effect.

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VasiDobie
#5 Posted : 11/25/2016 1:13:40 PM
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Nereus wrote:
entheogenic-gnosis wrote:
VasiDobie wrote:
After freeze precipitation i started evaporate naphta but accidentally i took of fi ger from cool mode of my hairdryer and started heating and the crystalls started disolving they has lose half of their volume, i stoped instant the hairdryer and let it in a closet where i forgot it 3 days Embarrased . Today checked how i remebered it and all naphta has gone(nothing sticky/wet) the crystals(very white) still has the volume lower but on the bottom of the vessel has formed has formed an transparent layer that become an yelow powder when i bring it out. Is that the disolved dmt or what could be? Thanks in advance and sorry my english.


I tried my best to understand what you were trying to say...

So, you said you tried to freeze precipitate...and failed, no?

( DMT is soluble in hot/warm naphtha, but insoluble in cold naphtha, it sounds like you allowed your naphtha to warm up and the DMT dissolved back into it, generally you need to pour off the cold naphtha from the crystals before it has a chance to warm up Again...)

Then it sounds like you decided to let your DMT saturated naphtha sit in a closet until all the solvent had evaporated? Is this correct?

-eg


My guess is that he freeze precipitated, drained off the solvent and started evapping the remains of the nps using a hair drier (that's a NO).

Upon trying to dry the precip vessel he accidentally switched to the warm air setting and his xtals started melting. That happened because there were nps leftovers in the dish, that got warm and dissolved the alks.

He's now saying that after this issue he left the dish, untouched, in a cupboard for further evaporation. After 3 days time he went back at it, everything evapped fine and has resulted some "very white" xtals, but some tranparent goo also. He then scraped up the goods and upon further working the transparent goo with the blade, it solidified into a yellow extract that he does not what exactly is...

I think I got it right..

Now the question is, what could it be VasiDobie?

Sure it can't be NaOH as sodium hydroxide is not soluble in any way in nps. If you did the extract with care and pulled the nps off the bark soup without sucking any of the basified layer you should be good... not to worry.

It happens often that heat pulls more lipids...it also happens often for the nps to remain trapped in the xtal structures and upon gettin warm to RT it will make your xtals melt..or it might be the case of polymorphism, where we know that DMT appears in pure form as a transparent oil or yellow xtals.

Hope it helps and happy travels.

Yes, this is what i wanted to say,thank you for help and sorry my poor exprimation...
 
 
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