So I've not posTed prior, but yesterday's last journey through, brought back something, my cat saw this and would not look at me until it left or hid deeper in me.


I think every trip by default pulls something back, but they have rules, with interfering with us in our reality and the energies that we are, are a currency or food(idk)to them.
So our physical state is only a prison to us, they haven't walls to get around. So where we are means nothing to them,they can get to us from anywhere.


Every thought and memory of my experience as vivid as it was, vague now, because that's what they let me keep, was wiped, just as soon as I recallEd them.this Made the trip longer because of my attempt to not think of them in hopes that they couldn't take them otherwise, that's the impression that I got. Wrong.


You inhale them, they consume, but we are connected whether aware or not. I wonder who is the host,us or them. Regardless the entire dmt world is an entity, similar to ours without the dead concrete and man made structures , plants are alive for example. What good is a car or ship when your capable of traveling with thoughts. We're primitive as f@÷k. They are so beautiful and advanced so we're left in awe, without concern for their intentions or meaning. Being aware of this does not do anything for us, yet. But in the event that our minds evolve to full capacity I wonder if we will be them and the planet that is at our ability now will be visiting us via, dmt.


My hitchhiker hasn't shown himself,since that moment. He felt very heavy on my back, and my flesh still feels not mine, idk if it's taking me over or hanging out or if I'm not taking the transfer and my parasitic body is consuming him. Are we the evil that would destroy them if given the opportunity. Some say they are evil, something tells me that is naive and weak, just like us to think we are superior, if we face something as capable and intelligent as them and see evil, it's our own fear or our intention they're protecting themselves from. And now my insecurity says, is this my original thought or one from my new friend. The one being was all the beings and the world was interactive in unison blazing by in a flash but slower than real time.


inconceivable to our small language or minds. It was humorous to them/him how much I was blown away by his presentation, makes sense why jesters have a common theme. I think amazement gives off an energy with more to offer,or worth more, or maybe just ensures our return. Rules again, maybe coming to us has consequences for them so they must make us contact them or injest them so they can teach, learn, give or take. Idk. Maybe never will or not supposed to.


Sorry for the all over the place rant, I was trippin on losing the thought and needed to get it down as soon as possible along with a fuzzy brain from trippin all day.

The return key is your friend.

This is a wall of text, and really hard to figure out what you're trying to discuss.

Blessings
~ND

Good call, I was filling in confusion sub consciously and not aware how unorganized this statement was/still is. I attempted to edit. It's not so much of a topic of discussion as much of a trip report(ish) rant.

I'm totally following what your saying . You make some really good points I especially can relate from my own experiences. This idea that they are feeding on our energy is right on. What I find interesting is that they seem to have no interest in revealing they're true nature to us. In fact they prefer we remain completely clueless to they're origin and purpose.

if cattle would be able to understand concepts, would you tell them they are living in a corall?

Why not?

Would understanding the true nature of your existance alter it?

I feel all secrets should be told, and that truth should never be suppressed, regardless of the consequence.

-eg

freedom is an essential goal every living being strives for. cows kept in a corrall, without even being aware of that, sure would go a bit crazy if they suddenly had the revelation about their fenced in existence. even worse, if the force keeping them fenced actively suppresses their natural development.

Understanding the true nature of your existence CAN alter it.

Why do you think dictators all keep media and education under the strictest control possible? I'm a universal anarchist - I refuse to accept any oppressive structures, material or spiritual, as legitimate or "sacred". Spiritual rebellion is both possible and desirable.

I think the best approach to psychedelics and spirituality is to keep an open mind and a heavy dose of irreverence. I'd say the Principia Discordia has the right tone.

As for cows, I think if cows were capable of conceptual thought, farmers would be very careful to keep things from them. Not the corral itself - I mean the cows can SEE the corral, and they get stung with electricity when they walk into it -, but its purpose, and that they will eventually be slaughtered and eaten. Otherwise, they'd have a cow revolution on their hands, and cows are pretty large and quite dangerous when they want to be.

You should all watch Cloud Atlas if you haven't yet...

There are a lot of parallels with what you wrote and my own experiences, you describe it well. I think we've been through a lot of the same things.

The one difference is that I have never had the sense that "they" are a parasite on us. It seems like we are emergent intelligence in some kind of grand experiment/simulation put on by the inhabitants of hyperspace to test possibilities (I have no idea who they are or if they are all just different masks on the same universal consciousness). They've shown me how they created the universe in a bubble of spacetime. You're right that they can't usually interact with physical matter, they need our eyes to see the universe.

My earlier trips involved information downloads to hyperspace - everything I knew about the universe and evolution of life flashed before my eyes, this is how they gather information on the simulation. Now they usually give me presentations on various topics (usually related to the universe and my role in its destruction or recreation(!?!)).

As you say, there is always the sense of my memory being mostly wiped (with hyperspatial cloth!) as I'm coming back to this reality. They tell you the secrets of the universe, gauge your reaction, then put you back where you came from with little remembrance other than WTF just happened?. Sometimes after they told me something really traumatic (e.g. circumstances of my death), I always think to myself "good thing I won't remember this when I get back".

I'm fascinated by the varied psychic phenomena different people experience whilst consorting with "hyperspace". While I'll often de-realize, assuming the role of an impersonal(forgotten identity) observer/participant, I've yet to encounter entities that seem alien or other than the "me" observing. Incomprehensibly bizarre, loaded with instantaneous epiphanies of deeply profound cosmic ontology, but never NOT part of the transpersonal awareness that is experiencing them/it.

As the peak fades and my consensus reality identity recrystallizes, I'll typically experience an interval during which a vacillation betwixt personal and transpersonal awarenesses is had, often a seemingly endless "looping" is sensed. This looping betwixt awarenesses is had on both sides of the peak. It can be particularly frightful on the ascendant limb of the trip as my ego "resists" loosing its/my personal identity and entering the hyperspatial, transpersonal, identityless awareness. This has gotten less terrifying with experience and "letting go". On the descendant aspect of the trajectory, often there is a blissful sensation as the ego recognizes that it is regaining its foothold experiencing the "homeward" leg of the journey, while still vacillating between personal and impersonal awarenesses.

Just describing this can give me "flashbacks". Again, I've never "felt" a me/them sensibility. The entities I encounter at peak are more, singularities of omniscience, as opposed to "self dribbling bejeweled basketballs" that could/would/do attach to my personal identity as it re-realizes on the homebound leg of the journey. While I do sense that I'm returning with special knowledge(quickly forgotten), I suppose I'm fortunate not to have hitch hikers haunt me on return.

Thank the Universe for this gifted perspective that the plants can catalyze IN us if only we will humbly endeavor!

Peace

Do these, in any way, sound similar to your experience?

Does this, in any way, sound similar to your experience, as well?

I'm pleased to know that this is a shared experience and that others have completely different takes on the experience that doesn't parallel mine. It's so reassuring that there is so much more to learn. Now I've noticed that not one of my trips has been the same or if an entity is present the "show" isn't the same, nor the entity .
I had an over the top dose Thursday night in a very familiar place, my mother's house. It felt as I was approaching out of body but got stuck a slight off of my body. This was terrifying because I knew I knew who and where I was but could not remember how I knew my wife, my mother, her home ,and myself. My wife sat with her husband helping me try to remember who I was, I'm sure she was more terrified then I was. She walked me through the past 5mins. And when I realized that I was on dmt I was relieved for it was 15mins left till I'm back. But it was amazing that I was in a familiar place and seeing it for the first time. The trippy part was it was in real sober color, nothing to confirm dmt. Instead of new places in this mind I was out of this mind in an old place. New spin on the dmt realm I have never heard of. Anyone this resonates with I'd like to hear from.

About understanding the true nature of existance, It was actually more of a rhetorical question...

And while yes, certain knowledge may alter how you feel about your existance, or it may affect the choices you make in said existance, but it will not prevent or stop your existance, you would have to continue existing whether you knew the truth or not..

And, The thing about the truth is, is that you can not suppress it forever, it will eventually surface one way or another, even if it's by unimaginable and unforeseeable means.
(And those making individuals amenable to manipulations through withholding the truth, covering up the truth, or disseminating lies will eventually be exposed )

I believe all secrets should be told, and that truth should be preferred, living truthfully and living honestly should be preferred.

(None of your misdeeds go unaccounted for, you will have to endure the consequences of your karma at one point or another, so maybe you should reconsider preventing the cattle revolution and just be honest with these hyper-intellectual cattle about the situation at hand...)



-eg