I'm not quite as sure if investing in chaliponga as an admixture is yet a wise choice. Apparently people have died directly as a result from combining 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin with RIMAs, which chaliponga supposedly contains in trace amount but contains nevertheless.

Another article I found in the literature is that McKenna challenged the shaman to add chali to the brew but the shaman refused calling it dog food, and not for human consumption.

On the other hand, chaliponga use is more widespread than chacruna, and some users here seem to prefer it over the classic DMT sources. Although having a history of human use is by no means an indicator that it's safe or even a beneficial experience altogether.

For it to be cost worthy at all I would have to make the brew harmala heavy (I use rue as a harmala source), which could make it very different from anything I have experienced yet before but also potentially dangerous.

What do you guys think? Is chali the way to go, or should I stick with the stuff that is more known to be safe such as the classic DMT sources, peyote, etc?

Chali is innocent, your post is not [1], because a tool is a tool, people stick an eye out accidentally with a screwdriver = blame the screwdriver?

[1] Chali is a classic, and your post is so full of stirring untrue suggestions you have given answer to your own question markedly. Don't use anything you have such a bias about no matter the arguments = my advise.

Chaliponga samples have been analysed by peeps here at the Nexus and no traces of 5-MeO-DMT were found. Even if traces were found, I doubt they'd be an issue in combination with MAOI's at trace levels.

Chaliponga is used primarily in the Western Amazon, compared to chacruna which predominates more in the East. Some shamans familiar with both consider chaliponga a more powerful plant one should graduate onto after experience with chacruna. The vast majority of reports I've encountered speak very highly of the combination of caapi and chaliponga, and some consider chaliponga a very special plant and rate it very highly indeed.

I partook of an ayahuasca retreat in Peru December/January time, and the DMT admixture plant used there was solely chaliponga...I have absolutely no complaints about it as an admixture plant...I'm something of an aya heard head so I don't mind a more potent brew.

At the beginning of my psychedelic career, I also made a home brew of Syrian rue and chaliponga...I induced an experience (after eating a little food) that totally rocked my world, for maybe only a few minutes, but I was propelled into a state of high velocity shamanic ecstasy...I actually consider this one of my more amazing plant based experiences, as brief as it was. So in my view, chali rocks.

Idk exactly what's in chali, but to me it seems like the easiest light plant to work with out of all of them, including the analogs. 7 g produces an amazingly deep visionary experience, esp if used with a large amount of rue or caapi, like the equivalent of 6 g of rue. And it's a leaf, so you don't have to worry about doing this that and the other to extract it all, it comes out easily. Then another thing is the purge. Chali produces a purge which comes right out, again, even more so if used with a lot of harmalas. If you're into befriending the spirits of the plants, chaliponga is no joke, it's highly refined, and it plugs you into to the collective consciousness centered around ayahuasca, in the Amazon and beyond. It's different than chacruna but not that different.

I'd say instead of wondering whether you should order it, just order it and work with it. Make a test brew with 6 g of rue and 7 g of chaliponga and judge for yourself.

I must concur, OP misinformational. Entheogenic University, schools us all!

Chaliponga is no red headed stepchild. Powerful lightbringer with the potential to humble the bold with "adequate" MAOI(RIMA). Being leaf, v root bark, generally simpler prep tek for physically gentler brew. Overshoot, as with all lightbringers, can be harrowing. With judicious MAOI dosing, health threatening experiences are not likely.

Jees says it all, plainly. Know and respect the plant. Additionally, full gut/hepatic MAOI doesn't require excess harmalas. Adequate is safer and more comfortable. That said, vine(B. cappi) aficionados who carefully cultivate an escalating dieta with cappi brew, attest to the increasing psychoactivity along with decreasing body load with habituation to doses in excess of "adequate" MAOI. Rue seems to be more appropriately used as a functional MAOI, however there are those who consort with the more extreme(magic carpet ride) doses of esfand. To each his own.

5-meo-DMT? Likely urban legend or anecdote, objectively. Yet again, with the plants, mystery remains! Chali can/will knock your socks off, BEWARE.

Peace

This is why I opened this thread up, I am aware I might be misinformed. Excuse me for wanting to know what I potentially put in my body.

By classic DMT source I meant a plant that contains 90% or more of total alkaloid content just DMT, like chacruna for example. Chaliponga is known to have a very versatile alkaloid profile. Again I'm not sure what precisely since I've read about its alkaloid profile on wikipedia, which obviously isn't correct.

I do not consider that I have some bias about it, but I like to do some research beforehand if I'm not sure about something. It is easy to get confused about a certain drug especially when people write drastically different stuff about it.

It is essentially impossible to differentiate fact from fiction till you try it on your own skin, but by then I might get myself in trouble. I don't want to risk that, nobody is born knowing everything.

I'm sorry if you feel emotional about my post. I felt defending chali mostly, OP came across as a too much of concentrated negative only and "Not for human consumption" is a normal thing on a chali bag

Did you call peyote a traditional dmt source or was that a typo?

Chali is way better than chacruna, that's a proven fact

I don't even feel peyote is would be an easy source for mescaline ( let alone calling it a classic n,n DMT source if so, please do more research ), You would rather want San Pedro, and other trichocererus ( peruvianis, bridgesii ), for general brewing, extracting ... I find peyote is such a rare and slow grower cactus.

For DMT source, you have mimosa hostils, acacia confusa, chacruna for brewing, so yes, chaliponga is a good source for brewing dmt ( aya style ), not so much for dmt extractions, so dosage are diffeerent ( chaliponga is way more potent than chacruna for same leaves weight.
All depends what you would do.

Probably he meant peyote and classic DMT sources are examples of the "stuff that is more known to be safe."

AU, you're at home brother! No dis, keep it nearly polite and you'll NEVER be judged. Discourse(written) electronically is always staccato. Share and you will be embraced. We're all, misinformed. Enjoy the raucous nuthouse>>>>Nexus. Thanks for coming.

Peace

Exactly! I almost needed to explain myself, it seemed pretty obvious to me what I actually meant when I wrote it. Weird that more than one user misunderstood.

If I'm not mistaken I probably wouldn't make it this far on the forum if I didn't know the difference between mescaline and DMT, let alone be promoted so fast without any prior knowledge and experience.

Though no 5-MeO-DMT was found, i do find chaliponga to be very distinct from chacruna. I don't know what causes this, but it seems like i'm not the only one who feels this way.

In large quantities, purging also seems to be more common with chaliponga, than with chacruna. Maybe the very thing that causes purging to occur more often, is also responsible for the difference in psychedelic effects.

Many people think the purgative effects are caused by tannins. I don't know if chaliponga indeed is richer in tannins, but tannins could have an effect. Tannins often have some MAOI-activity, so they could very well interact with the harmala's ingested.

I personally like chaliponga. I find it especially nice to combine chaliponga with chacruna. A very small amount of chaliponga, a few leaves even, can have a profound effect and can very clearly alter the effects of a chacruna brew.

I've read somewhere, though i don't remember where, that though chacruna and chaliponga are often being used separately, there is also a long tradition of combining the two.