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Hello, My dog asked me the other day, because my dog can talk, if putting mimosa rootbark in a universal solvent (with methanol and naphtha) for a few hours or days to extract the DMT, then keeping it in the freezer for three days to make the crystallisation and then evaporating the solvent would extract a high percentage (say 70%) of the DMT. If it's not possible, and I think it's not because I haven't read anybody doing that, please tell me why, because my dog wants to know so. My lovely dog thanks you in advance! 
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cookiejoe wrote:Hello, My dog asked me the other day, because my dog can talk, if putting mimosa rootbark in a universal solvent (with methanol and naphtha) for a few hours or days to extract the DMT, then keeping it in the freezer for three days to make the crystallisation and then evaporating the solvent would extract a high percentage (say 70%) of the DMT. If it's not possible, and I think it's not because I haven't read anybody doing that, please tell me why, because my dog wants to know so. My lovely dog thanks you in advance! You would only get a sludge of oil/plant juice that has the dmt in it. Its way better just to go 1 extra step for very reduced oil and other impurites. A full pull can be done with ethanol/acetone as is but what you get is only a dmt resin. Can be done as a step to decrease the amount of bark when dealing with lots. Also dont do this SWIM/ my dog/my cat stuff it gives no protection whatsoever.
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Just stick with TEKS.
You need to break the woody plant matter down & convert the DMT salts in the plant to a freebase to get it to migrate over into a non polar solvent.
Using methanol mixed with naphtha & trying to avoid the other steps will not yeild you crystals or anything useable unless you take that product & do the same steps you attempted to work around on the crude product from the naphtha/methanol mix.
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My advice is to lay of drugs. If you're conversing with your dog, chances are there is a problem.AFAIK, nobody here knows how swim either. It's just a silly pastime anyway  Is this 'universal solvent' also colloquially known and referred to as 'water'. Maybe i need to lay off, i really don't understand what you're trying to do. Naptha AND etoh? Uhhh, why? The period advice was solid, follow a TEK unless you just want to pay around and experiment. That is a good way to learn... Sine experientia nihil sufficienter sciri potest -Roger Bacon
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Ulim wrote:
You would only get a sludge of oil/plant juice that has the dmt in it. Its way better just to go 1 extra step for very reduced oil and other impurites.
A full pull can be done with ethanol/acetone as is but what you get is only a dmt resin.
Can be done as a step to decrease the amount of bark when dealing with lots.
Also dont do this SWIM/ my dog/my cat stuff it gives no protection whatsoever.
Ethanol and acetone are polar. Water is polar. Like dissolves like. How would you pull that? "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
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Bodhisativa wrote:Ulim wrote:
You would only get a sludge of oil/plant juice that has the dmt in it. Its way better just to go 1 extra step for very reduced oil and other impurites.
A full pull can be done with ethanol/acetone as is but what you get is only a dmt resin.
Can be done as a step to decrease the amount of bark when dealing with lots.
Also dont do this SWIM/ my dog/my cat stuff it gives no protection whatsoever.
Ethanol and acetone are polar. Water is polar. Like dissolves like. How would you pull that? I don`t think he understands how the process works. He never mentioned water. It reads like he wants to soak his bark in a mix of methanol & naphtha then strain, freeze precip, & evaporate.
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You really do not need to pretend to have a talking dog, it really does not provide you any sort of protection, and it makes your posts difficult to read...it also makes it difficult to tell how serious you are actually being. https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...nd_Troubleshooting_GuideRead through the link above, try to gain a basic understanding of the chemistry involved in the process, education is crucial... The easiest and extraction process involves soaking your bark in an H20/NaOH solution (exposing the bark to a base is crucial, the DMT-tannate or DMT-oxalate salts need to be deprotonated to DMT-freebase, exposure to a base also degrades plant cell walls.) Then a non-polar solvent is used to leach the DMT from the basic solution. The solvent is then collected for freeze precipitation or evaporation https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Lazyman's_tek ( This should go without saying, but just in case, please do not ever attempt a chemical process which you do not have the education or skill to preform. ) -eg
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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:You really do not need to pretend to have a talking dog, it really does not provide you any sort of protection, and it makes your posts difficult to read...it also makes it difficult to tell how serious you are actually being. https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...nd_Troubleshooting_GuideRead through the link above, try to gain a basic understanding of the chemistry involved in the process, education is crucial... The easiest and extraction process involves soaking your bark in an H20/NaOH solution (exposing the bark to a base is crucial, the DMT-tannate or DMT-oxalate salts need to be deprotonated to DMT-freebase, exposure to a base also degrades plant cell walls.) Then a non-polar solvent is used to leach the DMT from the basic solution. The solvent is then collected for freeze precipitation or evaporation https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Lazyman's_tek ( This should go without saying, but just in case, please do not ever attempt a chemical process which you do not have the education or skill to preform. ) -eg This.
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Bodhisativa wrote:Ulim wrote:
You would only get a sludge of oil/plant juice that has the dmt in it. Its way better just to go 1 extra step for very reduced oil and other impurites.
A full pull can be done with ethanol/acetone as is but what you get is only a dmt resin.
Can be done as a step to decrease the amount of bark when dealing with lots.
Also dont do this SWIM/ my dog/my cat stuff it gives no protection whatsoever.
Ethanol and acetone are polar. Water is polar. Like dissolves like. How would you pull that? I mean dump the bark in ethanol acetone to get everything of it => resin. Not pulling something with it.
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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:the DMT-tannate or DMT-oxalate salts need to be deprotonated to DMT-freebase This is probably Completely the wrong place to share this thought but what the heck. Has anyone here actually experimented with these particular DMT salts in pure form? Solubility data? Precipitation from various solvents? That sort of thing. It's just that the oxalate in particular looks rather like it would crystallise nicely, oxalate being almost like a compact version of fumarate, ion-wise I mean, as per the pic. NB the ingestion of oxalates and tannates is discouraged as both are somewhat toxic. downwardsfromzero attached the following image(s):  oxalate vs fumarate.jpg (13kb) downloaded 63 time(s). “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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I would be interested in this as well... Information is sparse... Shulgin makes some very brief comments on DMT salts in TIHKAL: Quote: [There are several comments to be made as to salts, melting points, and spectra.] The oxalate is used occasionally in animal studies. Early human studies involving the injection of solutions of the hydrochloride apparently made by dissolving DMT base in dilute aqueous HCl, and neutralizing this with base to achieve an end pH of appropriate 6. The fumarate is the salt specifically approved by the FDA for human studies, and this was the form used for human intravenous injection employed in the recent New Mexico studies. -TIHKAL;shulgin If you find anything please post it. -eg
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downwardsfromzero wrote:entheogenic-gnosis wrote:the DMT-tannate or DMT-oxalate salts need to be deprotonated to DMT-freebase This is probably Completely the wrong place to share this thought but what the heck. Has anyone here actually experimented with these particular DMT salts in pure form? Solubility data? Precipitation from various solvents? That sort of thing. It's just that the oxalate in particular looks rather like it would crystallise nicely, oxalate being almost like a compact version of fumarate, ion-wise I mean, as per the pic. NB the ingestion of oxalates and tannates is discouraged as both are somewhat toxic. Hmmm...DMT-tannate and DMT-oxalate salts are commonly consumed orally in brewed combination plant decoctions... ...whether this worse for you than DMT freebase, I'm not sure. Could you point me towards the proper information source regarding this topic? -eg
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