Hello, I'm preparing for my first time experience with caapi.
I'm following the recipe from here https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=8972, so I'm going to do three boils of three hours each. Since I never have 9 hour of consecutive time alone at the kitchen, I'm wondering if I can space out the boils over two or max 3 days and if I need to put the drink in the fridge or a drawer will suffice during the preparation time .
Of course I would prefer to do it all in one go... especially to make preparation part of the ritual and take advantage of the cooking time to practice meditation and to remind intentions
My drawer should be approx. 20 celsius degrees (68 fahrenheit)

Thanks !

You are fine to brew on separate days & store in the fridge between boils.

I rarely have time to brew all at once & usually break the workload up into a few hours a day. Never had trouble even when taking a week or more to finish brewing.
Just make sure to re-heat daily & don`t leave it in an open container.

thx, concombres! Little update. Today I made first boil of caapi Ourinhos. Still to do two other boils and reduction. The color is orange but I think it will become red at the end when I reduce all three boils. I have filtered my first boil and stored the liquid and the ground material in two different jars in the fridge. I'm feeling a good vibe

Yeah the color will darken up alot when the water content starts getting down 1L & become dark almost black at the end.

Are you planning on dosing caapi only for your first time or brewing an admixture later?
A good caapi can be pretty powerful even by itself without the addition of DMT.

I`m not sure about anyone else but caapi has some auditory effects for myself & some mildly psychedellic thought branching even at doses as low as 50g.

Good luck.

Thank you!
I'm planning on dosing caapi only. I have heard here and other places that "The DMT admixture just potentiate the vine, not the other way around...white people got that part wrong." so it seemed only natural to go this way. I heard that 50g is considered a medium dose so I'm starting with only 20g and eventually get more next time.

20g is going to be nearly inactive. At that dose you may experience some body warmth, maybe some sped up thought... but it isn't going to be anything entheogenic. I found 50g to be rather lacking. It's not until I get to 75 or 100 that its psychedelic effect manifest in earnest for me.

That being said, high doses often cause me to have a formidable tension headache in the morning.

And yes, storing it is fine. People sell aya teas and extracts brewed all the way down in South America, so I'm sure a few days storage will be fine for your brew.

Happy travels!

Artgasm, please take every notion of people as a personal story. Both about doses and what they do for people like caapi - dmt.
I can have a deep meditative session out of starting at 5 to 20 grams.
But what do you want? A meditative or blasting session, or in between? For beginners this question might even be unclear at the moment. Trial and error is the game each time again, and others' perspectives can be as well informative as very misleading. And this is actually a good thing to have a discovering path to come where nobody really can say for you what to expect.

In a post it is also difficult to read how many years of personal experience is actually talking. Reverse tolerance etc messes with the amounts used, as is sometimes the source of materials used and ability in tuning ones selves.

I know of sensitive people having a real art in brewing (3 x 8 to 12 hours boils on fine material) and preparing ones selves (thorough diet days in advance) so that they only need 20 - 30 gr to go deep.

The amount of parameters involved, the non consistent testimonies, create surprises.
Please come back with yours

Good points. It always surprises me that people are that sensitive to harmalines.

It is certainly not common.

There is some unwritten saying that 50 grams (dry wood) per cup is like a standard somehow. This tries to rule out some deviating variables. This you probably know.

Hi all, and thanks for your replies! Lately I have had some changes regarding work and other stuff so I have been really busy. Sorry Jees cause I have seen your question only now

summary :
29 Oct. 2016 I had the experience with about 16grams of material alone and outside.
It has been a relaxing and meditative experience, surely not a blasting session and without any traces of visual allucinations. I did not purge and I had no feeling of nausea only maybe a very slight stomach cramp but I think it was related to the fact that I only ate two apples at breakfast. The experience was meditative like, relaxed and lasted 3 hour max.
I'm following from a month or two a strict vegan and maoi compatible diet. Essentially lots of fruits veggies, and some cereals. I enjoy it but yesterday and now I'm having anchovies .

place:
I took the experience in the woods. Unfortunately it was saturday ( couldn't manage to have other two free days) so there were some people going around. I know those woods pretty well, and they're usually very very solitary except for weekends. So it took me almost two hours to find my spot because the good spots where too near to people working but at the same time I didn't want to go too up high in the mountain for the fear that I could fall from some cliff during the trip.
On my final spot on the long distance I could hear softly someone using chainsaw or working with tractor, and one guy doing motorcycle trials for a brief moment... During the session I could only hear them softly sometimes so it wasn't really bad. In fact what troubled me was not the noise but that someone could go and ask me what I was doing while I was tripped or something like that.
I managed however to let go that thought after waiting a while and noticing that no one was entering the forest and so it didn't bothered me during the experience ( I think it could have been different with a stronger dose though so I'm making a point of avoiding weekends in the future).

session:
During the ingestion phase ( I drank the whole tea in 3 sips in about 20 minutes) I felt a slight anxiety with every sip ... It was the classic fear of the unknown this anxiety however quickly faded...
After drinking I sat for a while and then I lied down meditating and observing the sky and the patterns of the birch leafs. Observing them I had the feeling that the leafs where brighter and my field of view increased. auto suggestion ? For some intervals of time my mind was only observing without making new thoughts and following them... in between instead I was thinking some stuff like usual. The experience was pretty mild and I'm inclined to say that practicing meditation took me halfway there. I think the vine acted as a strong enhancer/facilitator of meditation.
When I meditate I feel calmer and don't get caught up in thought loops... I sometimes feel a sense of joy too and after meditation I feel like I have more energies or/and my thought/desires are more mine, and less influenced by the circumstances. This aspects where all there and more pronounced. Of course auto suggestion might have played a role in all this but I'm somehow convinced it was marginal.

After about 1.5 or 2 hours (had no cellphone or clock with me ) I had somehow like the feeling that time was slow to pass, in a way very different and lighter than weed. At first I kind of feared that sensation... not panic level... ( I'm not bragging of being brave maybe the sensation was so mild that no one would have panicked ) and I thought "what if stay like this ?" and "what can I do while I'm like this ? ". I gave myself the answer that somehow is what I wanted, and she suggested me to go and play with the trees, so I did Like I mentioned I did not purge so after the go play with the trees message, had no trouble going around a bit enjoying putting one foot in front of the other (love the shape of my shoes btw) and looking around in admiration

Returning home, I saw a beautiful thing happening...

I usually like symbols, arrows, lists and expecially graphs to memorize and write down experiences, concepts... I went the unstructured/discursive way to enjoy a little scuffle with English grammar. I think that I express myself in a way that is too much "not dense" and hope this post is not too painful to read

Overall it has been a nice experience but I'm looking forward to upping the dose to about 25 or 30 grams to know it more.

Thanks!!

roger that!
Thank you Jees and lysergicelf for the interest taken in a noobie experience and for the helpful informations .
You are great !
I was looking for something in between the meditative and the blasting session, but mind that vine is my first psych (apart from weed and microdosing shrooms) so don't really know what that mean in practice . I was asking the plant for healing and advice and above all to let me know her.
I'm interested for instance in the aspects told from jamie and McCoyBoy in this short thread:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=309001#post309001
( meditative, enlightenment, beautiful and dreamlike visions... it seems to me both interesting and more newbie friendly than other stuff ).

One question... for "(3 x 8 to 12 hours boils on fine material)" you mean
1) 3 boils of 8 rto 12 hours each for a total boil time of 24 to 36 hours
2) 3 boils for a total boil time of 8 to 12 hours
( I guess (1) but it seems a lot of hours!!)
And sorry if I split hair but by fine material you mean almost pulveized material or something like thin splinter of about 0.8cm 1/3inch in length ?

Hi little update. I'm preparing 50grams of vine only. I have cooked them near to full boil instead of simmering for the first 3 hours.
Is it or I have lost too much goodness ?