I have no problems with eating GMO. But I do have a problem with the business practices of some the producers. (Bayer, Monsanto)

Their business is not based around creating plants to help feed more people.
But rather to "enslave" the farmers by making them dependent to rebuy the seeds, to use their pesticides and products.
Making poor populations dependant on yourself just for profit is the lowest thing anyone can do!!

Also they try to force legislators to forbid old non hybrid plants for their own profit which is just insane.

Some "GMO" plants are actually really needed. Just like the whole manipulation of life.
We can create almost impossible to make medicine just by forcing bacteriums to do it for us.
On another note. Do you think we can force bacteria to produce pure DMT
When insulin is possible and much more why not DMT?

A yeast model of DMT biosynthesis has been on my mind for a while. Its already been done with opioid precursors.

the idea had been thrown around here for years, even before the morphinan biosynthesis studies were published.

I study genetics..
It's hard to define what a GMO is sometimes, because you could say even selective breeding of plants is genetically modifying them to fit your needs.
Engineered in a lab GMOs, I would say that same as a few other people have said already. Some are harmful and some are not, it has a lot to do with the function of the gene being inserted, and any by-products or other things that that gene could do.

I would think the more pure(or positive, in terms of helping people) engineering, like actually increasing nutrients or yield of a crop, or even making it more resistant to weather; would have a better chance at not causing problems.

Things like trying to engineer plants to make their own pesticide, just sound riskier. As well as being more complicated in terms of function.
What sometimes strikes me as depressing in science nowadays is the profit margining, everything is just to line the pocket of some C.E.O. It's just not always about trying to advance the human race. We can see that in the companies like Monsanto and some of the big pharmaceuticals.

now i know these forums are not for conspiracies, so ill try to leave anything coming close to conspiracy out

some genetically modified plantorganisms are modified in a such way that they can withstand high amounts of ionic aluminium (such as in acidic soil, which can be around 40% insoluble aluminium, alumina?)
the way that these GMO's resist this high aluminium soil is that they form chelates -- in which then binds the heavy(aluminium isnt really heavy, but it is toxic)metal to the plant itself

the next question is then, what other metals do these modified plants bind with.. arsenic, lead etc? and even more importantly: these chelates, at WHICH rate do they break down in the body? lets be realistic here.. the body is a very complex chemical factory, and nothing is 100% safe. it does break down, its very varying environments this heavymetal chelate gets around

You know that chlorophyll is a chelate too? There are way to many organic chelates that you can say its only the modified plant that does it. Oxalic Acid, Tartaric Acid, Citric Acid all can form chelates. And the metal they bind can be a broad spectrum. They can reach from Magnesium, Calcium, Copper, Arsenic all the way to Quicksilver.

Aluminium is a light metal. And is non toxic. Its not even noxious. Metals can be toxic due to them replacing the metals that you actually need. Arsenic and Lead replaces Zinc thus damaging your DNA and other enzymes.
Beryllium replaces Magnesium and Calcium and so it can damage neurons.
The body needs many metals to catalyse reaction or to generate electrical charge.
Life came from the sea where you wont find much aluminium. Thats why we dont need it even though its really common on earth. It simply didnt exist for early organisms to use. It just goes by unused. Many of the people claiming that there is something like aluminium poisoning dont even have any proof. They just want to sell a product. The first thing that popped up when i searched for aluminium poisoning was from a women that had problems with her digestion because of "heavy" metal aluminium poisoning. And no other source stated the same. She mentiones how she healed herself by eating algae extract (which are really strongly contaminated because they are made in farms in asia where they dont care about heavy metals and just dump it into the sea).
Aluminium might not be a health factor for us like Zinc, Iron, Magnesium, Selenium, and many more metals are. But its nowhere near as dangerous as the usual bad guys arsenic and lead. The only problem with aluminium is that it can be turned into Ion form in your body. Copper for example cant. If you ingest copper it goes through without reacting much.

Chelates are actually used to treat heavy metal poisoning. You get an infusion with some Chelate forming compound and your body can then excrete the metal. Depending on the chelate you really have a hard time getting the metal out of it.

Dont be afraid that the plant is poisoning you. You should rather be afraid of cooking with aluminum foil when wine/lemon/orange are used. Because that will yield a lot of aluminium in your food.

Also most heavy metals you ingest are from drinking water in salt form. Copper pipes can leech really small amounts of copper into your water but still its no problem. Copper is quite resistant to acids so the amount is tiny and mostly in the water before it even gets though the pipe. Thats why you need to take care if you drink water in developing countries. There you dont even know if the pipes are made of copper which is waaay better than most other pipes like Iron/Nickel or worse.

In the old days people used to eat on plates made out of lead. And still they didnt get hurt to much. Only when they started eating acidic foods like tomatoes. Just google tomato and lead.
They even used lead salt to sweeten wine. Lead paint. Lead as "cheap" iron. Today lead is highly restricted in developing countries. So much even that you dont even see it used in electrical appliances anymore even though you dont eat them and they are safe from acids and more which can make the lead dangerous. Bismuth, Tin, Zinc, Silver alloys are used instead. Bismuth is commonly used as lead replacement. Its more expensive but way less toxic and similar in many aspects.

(May contain small mistakes ive just typed this quickly down)

For me I steer clear of GMO's for ethical reasons mainly. A lot of cats say a lot of different things about what is healthy. I just eat as naturally as possible, it's easy that way.

But what is natural for you? Because its hard to find the old untouched versions of our food croops today.

Im talking about eating topinambour instead of potatoes. Which is actually pretty easy to do given the fact that topinambour grows insanely fast and in bad ground. Its grows like a bad weed.
But its hard to adapt to it. Its like potatoes. Less starchy a way stronger malt like taste. And also I wasnt able to proberly digest it.

I should say as naturally as possible. I buy organic and heirloom when possible, drink rain water and for the most part avoid processed foods. Generally I eat one cooked meak a day. Where I live isn't as inundated with GMO crops, if I am wrong on that then I am kidding myself.


I cook topinambour with a lot of butter, thyme and garlic, the outside will form a skin and I cook till the inside is very soft.

Unusually well-qualified dissent...

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Please, everyone who has posted or will post in this thread, read the whole article!

I avoid GMOs for all the reasons outlined in that article and have endured legal harassment as a result of campaigning against commercialisation of GMOs.

I don't care if GMOs are 'safe to eat' - the aforementioned glyphosate which they will most assuredly have been drenched in makes the non-toxicity of the GM plant itself very much a moot point - furthermore, the very fact that this is a technology developed by and for corporate interests, specifically to wrest control of food crops from the hands of small, local producers thereby forcing dependence on the corporate product is reason enough for ALL of us to do what we can to resist this ecologically, socially and politically dangerous group of products.

To those who are opposed to GMO's, how do you think insulin should be sourced for the millions of people with diabetes?

Or are you only opposed to plants being GM'ed?

As I stated that I fully support GMO on plants or bacteria to help people with allergies, illnesses or other disabilites.
Its just that the companies suck. A lot.