I was just looking at the Nexus phalaris info and I noticed the warning against brewing phalaris because of gramine etc..

My previous understanding was that one should be careful of any brews other that traditional Ayahuasca and MHRB or ACRB evidently.

But that statement made me wonder: Is the main consideration with Acacias the DMT content? Are Acacia brews generally considered safe?

I greatly appreciate any feedback in this regard.

It's definitely uncertain territory whenever you're ingesting a seldom-sampled plant species and even specimen you don't know very well.

I think there's an amount of risk even consuming samples of say shredded Acacia confusa bark collected from an unknown source. Certainly there are more reputable suppliers, which I wouldn't feel nervous about, but there's always the potential for a mis-ID'd tree and random plant debris entering into the equation, not even considering the energy the person collecting puts into the material. I for one feel that the collector imprints something onto the material, and I've heard the Mazatecs are very selective about where their medicine comes from.

This is why I've really preferred ingesting plants and mushrooms I've grown myself.

Even in the case of the recent interest with Elaeagnus spp. I've been a little reluctant to sample it simply because of the question "what else is in there besides the alkaloids I'm after?" In the case of Elaeagnus there's recorded use by traditional healers, so I wouldn't be as nervous as with some other things, but also with this genus I'm not so sure about the alkaloids in it anyway

People have been testing plants for a long time without knowing all the minor details of how it influences us. You can do in-depth chemical analysis and you can use the old method of upping your doses little by little. Even a little strychnine won't hurt you till you hit a certain point. But in the case of little bits of aminitin, it seems you might easily miss the warning signs which take some time to present themselves. Mushrooms seem to me more tricky than plants a lot of the time though.

I have been thinking about taking harmalas and making a brew of Big Medicine or AQ1 phalaris, and slowly titrating up my phalaris to see how it is... but thinking about it now seems like one of those awful experiments I dream up that end up leaving me regretful and sick in some way...
I wonder how Johnny Appleseed did work with phalaris, I heard he was using phalaris or its extract orally in the 90s.

It's these unknowns that make one yearn for some good cubensis, cactus, and better known friends

Thanks Kerelsk, I've been thinking along very similar lines. Apart from this site I'm hoping I can get some communication from the plants (a subtle intuitive 'go ahead' or an uneasy feeling..)


Part of the reason I want to experiment is because I'm loath to trust suppliers and I definitely support the movement, for environmental reasons, not to ship fruits and veg (and entheogens) all around the world. Thus I'm looking towards local. I haven't gotten into shroom identifying yet and the kit I ordered got nabbed by customs. I don't much like buying them anymore because of the vibes involved..

I'm in Africa so there are a lot of unknowns but somebody's got to take the first steps. I've got my eye on A. Karroo because its has known medicinal usage.

I also did a delosperma fermentation to neautralize oxalates but I had doubts and bailed on it. I know Aya doesn't like alcohol but I've since read that sometimes shaman in the amazon do leave their brews to ferment. Immediately afterwards though I felt like I missed out. I'll give it another go.

I've been inspired by some reading yesterday to also try some African changa blends, that might work...

If you're in an area that doesn't frost you're in a better position than most to start growing your own Acacia, Mimosa, Syrian Rue, B. caapi, Trichocereus, maybe even Psychotria if you can keep them wet enough, Iboga maybe (I hear it needs quite exact conditions), Anadenanthera, etc... Most of the reliable psychedelic alkaloid plants are tropical.

About Delosperma I've heard there are mesembrine-like alkaloids as well as tryptamines, and mesembrine is very contraindicated as an serotonin modulator to mix with harmalas. I haven't really looked into this too far either.

I'd say perhaps seriously consider growing the tryptamine bearing trees Mimosa, Acacia, Anadenanthera as well as Syrian Rue... Or learn to grow P. cubensis which is not so difficult and can be accomplished worldwide so long as you can get the right equipment

Yea, I hear you, I just don't have the garden space at the moment.
There's a lot of potential here, with a green house I'd be able to mimic tropical no problem..

Maybe Delosperma will work as a smokable without harmalas, it's also very seasonal though too so it'll take a lot of trying...

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