A friend of mine is trying Ayahuasca for the first time. Not only that - it's also her first psychedelic experience.

I have 3 month old Mimosa Hostilis brew (without any maoi in the liquid) who been kept in a sealed glass bottle in a refrigerator for the duration.

Is it cool to consume? Or should I trash it?`

Best Regards

Would you consume any other plant matter that has been in your fridge for a quarter of a year?

I would drink the brew myself without hesitation despite it being that old. But due to giving it to someone else i'm more concerned about the brew potency and what not.

The easy answer to this – skipping the not-insignificant fermentation issues and what-not – is that mimosa is basically a terrible suggestion for first-time "aya" IME.

I wouldn't dream of giving that to anybody, especially for their first experience.

I appreciate pickings are likely lean in Scandinavia, but maybe extract and do pharma instead?

That would be an act of friendship...unlike a swig of mouldy mimosa

Would you be happy drinking that for your first psychedelic?

For a person's first time, I suggest obtaining quality plant materials, maybe even have this person brew the yagé with you...



-eg

If the container is sealed air-tight, and kept at cold temperature, it can actually be stored for quite a long time...

I have had yagé sit in my fridge for years, when it came time for consumption it was dumped into a pot on the stove and heated to destroy any microorganisms, germs, mold, fungi, etc...it worked fine.

Mckenna has some interesting stories in this area, most involving old ayahuasca which he brought with him back from the Amazon, but I can't find the transcriptions...

Though for a person's first exposure I don't feel this would be appropriate.


-eg

I could not find this mckenna rap transcribed anywhere, yet I frequently would find my self referencing it, saying "mckenna once said...", finally I found the audio file and transcribed myself...some parts were very difficult to hear due to the crowd laughing or drowning him out, aside from the few sections labeled "inaudible" the transcription is word for word.



-eg

should be fine, id bring it to a light heat until it smells ok, but I'm not really into drinking fermented brews

@eg i also reference this snippet thanks for the transcription, o translinguistic amigo

Ive had mimosa brews mold in less time than that. Check for mold and reboil to kill anything else off if you do decide to drink it. But I'd just brew more, it doesnt take long..



That brew i remember McKenna speaking of was stored in a freezer though, not a fridge

Actually, if anybody wants to weigh in on the inaudible portions and improve my initial transcription it would be much appreciated. At 1:56 I believe the question which terence is responding to is asked, possibly just before that, at 2:05 or 2:06 I begin transcribing terence's response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKDzQyH1DE

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I'm reminded of an experiment preformed by Louis Pasteur, in 1864, he was attempting to disprove spontaneous generation (which he did), however there were also some interesting observations regarding microbial growth which could be made

Any way, Pasteur developed a special flask with a curved neck, he boiled the contents of the flask, sterilizing them, and then, after a year at room temperature in an open vessel there was no microbial growth...that is until he broke the special neck of his flask allowing microorganisms access to the solution inside.
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https://amoebamike.wordp...istory-of-disproving-it/



While the above may not be fully related, I thought it was an interesting note regarding microbial growth

Any way, under proper conditions, microorganisms, and fermentation* should be non-issues, or at least very minimal.

I have found that if the solution is poured into a clean container right after boiling and filtering was completed, and was then sealed in this air-tight container and kept at relatively cold temperatures, that there will be no noticeable growth of microorganisms, or fermentation, (however a re-boil before consumption is always encouraged just to be safe. )

*Fermentation is a metabolic process with produces gases, acids, or alcohols

I'm not recommending that any person consume old ayahuasca, though personally I have done it before without issue.

-eg

I´ve taken ayahuasca stored in the fridge for 14 months and it was ideed very active.
The maestro ayahuasquero had left it in a plastic coca cola bottle inside a regular black plastic bag.
Before taking it we just added some water and brought it to a gentle boiling for about 20-25 minutes.
No change in flavor was noted.
Also drank a MHRB/Peganum Harmala potion after 6-7 weeks stored at room temperature and even after a 30 minutes simmer the flavor was absolutely disgusting.

I've had some sitting in the fridge for about a year which I intend to try soon. I have bulk activated charcoal and enema bags handy if necessary.