In an effort to shorten the replies I copied and pasted your last response in quotations below:

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Any oral MAOI/DMT combination can be considered an ayahuasca analogue.

any combination of plants which are chemically identical to the plants used in ayahuasca, and which are used in an identical manner are ayahuasca analogues. Banisteriopsis caapi vine contains harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine, and peganum harmala seeds contain this same chemical profile. Making peganum harmala seeds analogous to banisteriopsis caapi vine, or an "analogue" of caapi.

When it comes to the DMT sources it's the same deal, however many of the DMT source plants also contain N-methyl-tryptamine and other trace tryptamine and beta-carboline compounds, yet they are still for all intents and purposes analogues of psychotoria viridis or diplopterys cabrerana, the DMT source plants used in ayahuasca.

Desmanthus leptolobus contains DMT, though the related Desmanthus illinoensis contains DMT, NMT, N-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine, 2-hydroxy-N-methyltryptamine, and gramine, and I imagine D. leptolobus has a similar chemical profile, which needs to be taken into account, gramine is the most concerning compound present. I have heard years of anecdotal reports regarding successful extraction and use in ayahuasca analogue brews with both desmanthus plant species, in many cases these plants have been praised as a high yielding source for DMT extraction, and potent ayahuasca analogue ingrediants.

Regardless, the day-dream was spreading a harmine/harmaline/THH containing caapi analogue plant, with a DMT source plant, and it seemed peganum harmala and Desmanthus leptolobus could potentially thrive in the same environment, both plants actually grow as weeds in many places.

(I know this probably doesn't need to be said, but Laudanum is incredibly dangerous, alcohol and opioids can lead to severe narcosis, coma, respiratory Depression leading to death, and so on...mixing opioids and benzodiazepines and mixing opioids and alcohol are some of the most dangerous opioid combinations out there... )

-eg

Sorry for the confusion pertaining to the analogue in the last reply. I wasn't really in the right frame of mine when I replayed last, was at the doctors with the wife and one of the kids getting the ultras sound for the new baby.. from my brief study on Ayahuasca I've always been curious of these Analogues of Ayahuasca gAve the same experience and the traditional way of making the brew. I've wanted to keep it as traditional as i could when I explore my inner self but realistically I don't think that will be possible for myself when the time comes. I feel I'll be along ways from my goal if growing my own plants.

I have been looking at other MAOI plants and one local plant that grows invasive around me has me interested. I've noticed some posts here at the Nexus I want to read later this evening that I've book marked. The Elaeagnus umbellata aka Japanese silverberry/autumn olive tree is very prolific where I am and from my brief reading is a powerful MAOI. This one holds some great promise for myself as I'd be able to grow/Harvest it locally.


As for the Laudanum, there is always caution to be used with any drugs. And especially when Alcohol is combined. Luckily my intention for making the Laudanum isn't for me to use and abuse. And I do know how very dangerous it can be especially for sone one with no tolerance to opiates. From my brief foray with opiates I've come to the understanding of if medical value which far exceeds it's use as a recreational drug. Now this my be different for some people so a word of caution is always welcomed when touching on this topic.



Do you have any words or experience to compare Traditional Ayahuasca with an Ayahuasca Analogues?

Scary stuff, very toxic.

I feel these acetylcholine inhibitor deliriants are special tools designated for skilled and experienced practitioners of psychoactive plant use.

(There have been many deaths attributed to poisoning from datura, belladonna, or brugmansia species, the intoxication is unpleasant and long lasting, complete with full delirium, urinary retention, "phantom" ciggarettes, and conversations with individuals who are not present, it's nothing desirable, and it's not an experiance I could imagine anybody desiring as a means of recreation, it is a poison. )

Beautiful plants though.

Funny story regarding "jimson weed", in 1676, in Jamestown, Virginia, British troops sent to halt Bacon's Rebellion thought the plant was a food source and added it to salad Fed to the troops, resulting in a mass poisoning, and mass delirium, earning the plant the name "Jamestown weed", which over time was corrupted to "jimson weed"

-eg