hey guys i just wanted to talk about this with you guys because i might get more information from people on here than on other psychedelic forums.
So today i was going over this thread
Improbability of Hyperspace which discusses whether the experience is "real" or not.
So ive been always very unsure about this and at times in my younger psychonaut days i felt like i should believe its not real otherwise people will think im a fool, a sort of intellectual peer pressure.
but many experiences and research i have done with DMT (
specifically investigating/collecting reports of people encountering Jungian Archetypes which habitually occur like the clown/jester via my youtube channel) leave me unsatisfied with a purely materialist understanding of this experience i.e being nothing more than a result of neuro-chemistry.
Now i wont bore you with references to my anecdotal mystical experiences which further threw doubt into my previous peer pressured conclusions.
I would like to focus on one specific phenomenon which did raise red flags for me at least that there might be something more to it and honestly i didnt stumble onto this until i took things to quite an extreme.
usually when i smoked DMT, the experience would largely be internal in the closed eye visions. and even though it felt realer than reality there, once its over and the experience gets out of your system its easy to talk yourself into believing its nothing more significant than a visualization
when i smoked it like this i would rarely have much visuals in the open eye other than patterning and perception changes, even though the closed eyed visions would be profound. so i always just kept my eyes shut.
only once i experienced profound open eyed visuals by smoking a joint with dmt sprinkled on with friends at a rave, i smoked the most of it and cuz of the lights i had some really complex and colourful patterning which was very intense and the peoples movement almost become robotic and almost threatening.
But there was a time where i took it to the extreme.
at this time i was exploring combinations of 3-meo-pcp, 5 apb, and vaped DMT with an electronic tube vaporizer,.
And i sort of caused a bit of a psychotic state in which my consciousness was possessed by voices and i was having an internal dialogue and conversation with them.
i talked to a really smart guy on shroomery called redgreenvine and he told me this is why i had a conversation with voices in my head.
Quote:
The following is what is known and what governs the majority of what happens in consciousness:
A) Signals combine in the mind - reverberate - then fade away.
B) While reverberating they form gestalt scenes that can later be remembered, i.e. what ever happed together is remembered as a unit or scene.
C) Each combination memory has “abstract” or holographic interference energy features that enable memory to link similar gestalt scenes or fragments by similarity of this interference pattern.
D) Personality expression is sequences of learned behaviors, some from family and social circumstances, and some discovered on one’s own.
E) Psychedelics and emotion, dreams and meditative absorption all extend the period in which signals fades away, introducing a signal’s effect into subsequent moments that are experienced as sensory and thought smearing, trails, echoes; and, if the dose is high enough, entire personality expressions will overlap subsequent personality expressions.
When more than one personality expression coincides at the same time in the mind, the common assumption is that we are possessed or crazy.
Again drugs and emotions as well as dreams and meditation can introduce more reverberant or resonant mind states such that bits of personality that would have faded persist in a semi-autonomous way.
Semi-autonomous means that each expression not only produces the thoughts or gestures but also engages a live reaction context. So the momentary overlap can lead to several subsequent reactions from the same personality fragment even while other aspects of personality are still operating at the same time with equal weight and strength.
This is a natural occurrence; it is not a disease nor necessarily should it be seen as a religious crisis; though it can be a terrific existential learning opportunity in which antagonistic parts of one’s own self can practice important values, such as getting along with each other.
these voices told me very bizarre concepts that ive never heard about like how source split into positive/north and negative/south and hand to find balance to become whole or one again, like it was trying to use it as a metaphor for relationships and that this pattern echo throughout existence.
but anyways after this the voices told me to load a very large dose of dmt into my electronic vaporizer keep the lights and tv ON and pull as long and hard as i possibly can and keep my eyes "open" and "look"
So trusted these voices i did just that and i was in my basement with charlie sheens anger-management. My dad has all his electronics equipment in the basement like oscilloscopes, power-supplies, and circuit boards and wires everywhere including in the boxes on the floor.
So when i did this something different happening and it was pretty much the exact same scene from Toy Story where Sid finds out the toys are alive.
Quote: "We toys can see Evvvverythhing.. So play nice."
basically what happened was my basement turned into an alien spaceship. and the electronic equipment looked like it was 1000 years advanced technology, like someone dialed up the technological power of everything and now all the equipment was like fourth dimensional.
the equipment specifically the oscilloscopes, powersupplies as well as charlie sheens head was tessellating in dimensionality from low poly to high poly.
So
the wires and electronic nicnacs on the floor all came to life and start movement around, and everything that i was seeing was clear as day, everything was obviously not still anymore and were violently animated, not just subtle
The oscillioscopes and powersupplies and breadboard were alive and had faces and could move clear as day.
That experience felt nothing like a hallucinations but more like i was in a 3d modelling program like 3ds max max and somebody what fucking with the models.
What i find interesting is that under normal circumstances, i think very very few humans experience this dramatic type of open eyed experienced.
i can think of any other experience ive had in my life which causes such a profound change in the appearance of my environment.
this was not a pattern overlay or some sort of tracer or slight blending of objects. it was straight up transformers, more than meets the eye.
The issue i have is that it is so vivid and so precise. There is no blur to what you are seeing. I have trouble understanding how our neurochemistry alone can transform the appearance of something to the extreme AND bring it to life and animate it. It seems like a LOT of work for my mind and it does it flawlessly with no fuzziness to what you are seeing.
How come almost all humans go through their entire lives without experiencing just how dramatically the objects in their environment can change.
if it was just neurochemistry i would expect the most i would see is patterning overlay, and a sort of tracer effect, but it shouldnt get up and start dancing for me.
Has anyone else experienced dramatic open eyed visual effects where objects completely become something else and or start clearly moving on DMT?
sorry if this is long but i feel like its something worth sharing.