I have received messages when under the influence of DMT and Ayahuasca. I ignored many of these messages and frankly have paid the price. When you become conscious of something, you are then responsible. Lately I have started to listen and things are starting to happen. I have been experiencing synchronicities and a feeling of 'yes, I am on the right path here'.

Has anyone else here received and ignored messages from DMT and/or Ayahuasca? If so, what consequences did you see presenting themselves to you in your life? Did you start listening?

There is an elephant in the room!!! I didn't see that dang thing before! Where the hell did it come from? I ignored the elephant. It knocked over my furniture, broke things, pooped everywhere and now I have a mess to clean up. I tried giving it some peanuts but it just poops that much more. Get that dang elephant out of here!

The elephant is out in the front yard now peeping in as we speak. It wants back in, but it belongs outside. Poor little elephant got used to the comforts of indoor living. lol Now it is out and I started to clean up the mess it left in here. It didn't mean to make this mess. It was just too big to be inside.

Now that it is outside where it belongs I feel a sense of peace. No more messes to constantly clean up. I can move around much easier. I can breathe better.

Excuse my elephant metaphor but I hope you see what I cam getting at here. Please share with me your experiences with ignoring the elephant. Do you still feed it peanuts and clean up it's mess? Or did you place it in a more suitable environment?

Just for fun --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ4E2gHoz6g

It's all pets in the end

Ok... I will stay away from the metaphors. lol

Good pet elephant!!

three times at the end of my DMT trips I have been told not to come back. every time I smoked again either immediately after or the next day, and each time upon arrival to hyperspace I was not slapped but applauded for my bravery. funny, these elves..

The first time I did Salvia tea, I thought to myself, "This has been so powerful, I know deep down inside that I won't need to do this again for a looooooooooooooooooooong time, if ever. I just need to put out, and be in reality now."

About 5 days later, I did it again and experienced the worst depersonalization/derealization I could imagine. It's lasted for a very very long time. Of course there were other factors, such as a missed romantic opportunity, but it was certainly connected to the choice to drink again.

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I also got the message from a deep Syrian Rue trip that the computer/internet is literally killing me. And a recent ayahuasca trip with Rue showed me how the internet/computer is sucking the very life force out of me.

I am writing this because I believe it is never too late to heal, aka, take a looong break from the computer. I haven't taken ayahuasca in over a week, but last night I had a dream-message about how simple it is "turn off the channel" of the internet. The internet is so fascinating with all its promises of knowledge, but for some people, it is a drain on their life.

You know who you are.

See you on the other side,
RS

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What I really mean is, my elephant shrunk to a pet.
I can call TTssss and into its basket anytime, and can call it to come out and play some fooling around. So my elephant is still there in a way, is not my thing-to-get-rid-of or push it out definitely. But it changed proportional heaviness and kind of nature toward a manageable friend sort of. I don't like to have enemies, but rather turn them over into allies. Same with ego and stuff. Hidden gold.

The main line is to not see/believe in negativity but to discover gleaning opportunities.
That huge elephant could be your master, don't send him too far away

If his former energy was not beneficial, that is understandable and something should be done, I agree with you. But what should be done? Get rid of it all like an expelling? Or changing it's energetic potency into something useful? I prefer the latter.

I don't know sh*t but just saying what worked best for me so far, and I have a lot of pets now that were buggers before

I like the elephant metaphor. Im also guilty of trying to ignore major problems and kid myself that by dealing with the smaller ones, Im making progress. Bit like chasing the mice out while the elephant still rampages around.

Psychedelics always give me lots of messages and guidance and dont let me avoid the big issues, but its always easy to slip back into denial after the effects wear off. Mostly the 'message' boils down to being true to myself and living more authentically. So simple, and yet hard to do now that I have a lifetime of well established habits, coping mechanisms, patterns of behaviour etc.

Then there are family responsibilities and the need to make a living. Easy to get sidetracked. Psychedelics dont take excuses like this, they force us to wake up and remember who we are and what we really have to do.

I don't think there is any ignoring the message whether it come from DMT or any other spiritual experience. These experiences tend to nag at our awareness and we continue to dismiss them until we no longer can. Dramatic changes are occurring in the ecological framework of our reality and our survival and well-being demand awareness. There is no escaping it. If you catch a glimpse of it it will manifest entirely in due time. Our minds realize the importance of the message and can only distract themselves from responsibility for so long as every event we go through that challenges our old mental framework awakens us again to this new one until we are flooded with it.

I definitely ignored a lot of the messages from DMT about loving myself. As a result i ended up living a really crappy life and getting really sick. Being sick in and of itself has been a powerful transformational journey. However, once again I hit a point where i had improved physically i put the love for myself aside again and was thrown back into the worst of it. As the result of my illness i get strange symptoms which occasionally include tumors and suspicious lesions. Last year i spent 4 months of wait and watch to finally figure out it was benign. That took me pretty damned close to the breaking point. But that memory faded, old ways resumed, and here i am again facing the same dilemma. Got a call from the pathologist this morning on a new lesion that was fortunately benign. But it's been a hell of a few months worrying and fighting to keep my spirit alive. I've done a lot of waking up observationally, but it's time to step in some big-boy shoes and get into action. I refuse to put myself through that again. Me and that elephant are going to get intimate now so excuse me...

Sometimes I am thinking the same. Its just so much time that goes down the bin that way. It really sucks when you cant completely pull the plug even if you want, because of being dependent on the internet for work/study.

hows it sucking the life??

It's very easy to ignore afterwards.
Of course you shouldn't.
Otherwise life WILL deal you a tough card.
That is the penalty for keeping stuff out of your consciousness


Or: Not wanting it to become consciouss. As you put it..once the elephant is out ..well.

I was told to contact "the other" more often.
Instead i focused on unhealthy habits which might very well lead to something problematic.

My last trip is almost 1 year in the past now. At least 10 months.
It has changed me for the worse and i do not know if there will ever be a way back.

Do you really want life to bash some sense into you?
It's still time to do what you think is right.

Could you go into more detail with what happened if its not too much 2 ask?

When using the computer becomes a tool for procrastination and avoidance. When you rationalize to yourself "If I learn more, I'll be happier/a better person/more effective/productive," or "If I make myself present on facebook, I'll be more socially available," or "Okay, I'll check my email ONE last time," or "The DMT-Nexus has all this valuable information that enhances my life," when you have already spent days consuming trip reports on erowid and know how to procure life-changing psychedelic substances... what else do you need???

When you take a step back and remember your animal self, born from the womb naked and relatively thoughtless, and you take stock of your life and analyze just exactly how internet usage has changed it, well, at least for me, I remember being MUCH happier when I wasn't using it so much.

When you take ayahuasca and it shows you yourself, hunching in front of the computer screen with its glow on your face, all alone in your apartment, and your *attention,* your *awareness,* your *mindfulness* being drawn into this imaginary world of thoughts and lights and images, not real reality, but instead thousands of representations of it, and you realize that your awareness, your consciousness is a precious commodity, and that the internet absorbs it, and your time.

When you realize that you are SO much bigger than the words you type, so much bigger than the things you see or read or hear and relate to, when you realize that you are HUGE, that your soul is gigantic and barely fits in your very body, and could not ever be translated digitally, no matter how complex the technology gets.

When you remember that your presence is invaluable, and that anything you do on the internet, including typing on a forum such as the DMT-Nexus, is without your presence.

When you realize that the greater proximity to the computer, the less you can remember what your intentions are, whether they are for that moment, or for your entire life, slowly being eroded by the approach to using the internet that assumes it knows better than you.

When you think of the times you were so absorbed with what you were doing/seeing on the computer that you forgot where you were, geographically.

When you think of how it has changed your approach to sexuality.

When you think of how it reinforces the idea that, with enough information, the problems of life can be solved. (Is it really information that we need? Or greater compassion? Courage? Humility? What is humanity lacking right now?)

When you think of how you're an "overthinker" and the computer has made that problem 1000x worse.

When you realize that you don't place emphasis on remembering things anymore, because it's all written down somewhere.

When you realize that the way your organs fit in your abdomen is influenced by your posture, and consequently the amount of time you spend using the computer.

When you feel the love, and delude yourself into thinking you can spread that feeling via the internet.

When you realize that the essence of using the internet is separation and cowardice.

When you realize that, although we are all connected via communication on the internet, we are all still alone.

When you realize the story-lessness of internet use. Nothing "happens" on the internet. Only communication. When you take stock of all the events in your life that have been the most memorable, how many of them happened because you were sitting in front of a computer?

I shudder to think what this list would look like if I owned and used a smartphone to the same degree.

These are all problems of high resolution information being compressed through a low resolution communication channel, with a somewhat inefficient, time dependent menu system.
We ridin' horses right now, and the steam trains a comin'.

:Œ

You can count me out of that train.

Nothing can replace physical presence. Nothing.

Jesus rhythmspring that's scary....:/ and I have a smartphone

That makes me wonder whether a similar apprehension was felt by whatever conscious entities were around at the birth of space-time, along with the possibility to incarnate as a being of space-time, with all its causal, temporal gooeyness.

I could see that. But that doesn't mean this is the right direction... well, I guess it isn't for me! Maybe for some people.