Thanks Chan, that's excellent news . Regardless SWIM's personal interest in this, the bill was quite insane, not to say plain stupid, trying to criminalize something on the basis of how it affects SWIM's mood...

Also this:

Actually it was a short lived celebration

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/05/blanket-ban-on-legal-highs-england-wales-begin-26-may

Why? how does that impact on hobbies?

i will enjoy doing my macrame all the same but seems that end of March there were rumors the bill will be postponed indefinitely ( even the police said it is unenforceable ) now however seems it is indeed going to take effect... thats why the sad face.

True.

It's a crazy bill as well, so i'm looking forward to the forthcoming criticism. You know that these people are idiots when they say Psychoactive substances destroy lives, but allow the sales of Alcohol and Tobacco: The most deadly of all psychoactive substances (according to statistics)

It's almost impossible to attempt to reason with such clowns that psychoactivity does not make a substance dangerous or toxic, and that some of these substances can actually be used to improve mental health.

Oh, how these politicians seem to know better than us, how patronising!

Equally, the reverse is also true. Trying to run a modern "Economic Powerhouse" TM, without e.g. fuels, adhesives, solvents, & thinners would be difficult to say the least. Obviously, few people here would seek those out for their dubious psychoactive properties, but without this "Industrial Use" clause, they too would presumably have to disappear... So ha! Hoisted by their own pet-toad

somebody needs to turn that dry old queen on to a serious buzz,
then she can put a stop to all this anti buzz nonsense.

the real irony here is , the empire was literally built on the drug trade.

Incredible.

So, what about things like Red Bull? I'm really looking forward to seeing the EXTREMELY LONG list of excepted substances.

It hasn't really been discussed here, so I'll bring forth the elephant in the room. Where does this leave DMT containing plants? Surely they're excluded due to the fact that they aren't directly 'psychoactive' nor do the plants alone enhance or depress ones consciousness?

Food and beverages are excluded.

Nutmeg is excluded, i.e. we still win.

Also - found this: Link - "In Defence of Recreational Drugs" by Rupert Dreyfuss.

I think that logically they shouldn't be included as to include things that aren't for human consumption that then need processing to produce a psychoactive effect would seem ridiculous and would then cover an even wider range of materials. Also, drugs that are already banned currently fall under existing drug legislation so if they really wanted to it could have been looked at a while ago. The real target and focus of all this nonsense are things like the research chemicals that we were seeing sold as bath salts on the high street.

However, sadly just because something is logical and ridiculous does not guarantee that it couldn't get caught up in this mission to ban anything under the sun. Maybe even the sun, after all it does enhance your mood. Ban the sun I say.

OK, so things are as murky as ever, as I received a second email late yesterday, from the same source:



The Act itself does not appear to make any reference to exempted industrial uses, but those 'guidelines' might be hidden elsewhere.

The most promising exemptions are for medicines and food:



The 2012 Act defines "medicinal product" as:



And I just happen to find purging extremely beneficial to my health...

As for food, that is defined as:



Over time, humans have consumed almost everything as food, and here, it appears to say that provided a substance occurs naturally within X, then X is permitted. However, injecting peaches with MDMA, say, would render said peaches illegal...so don't go getting any ideas, all you tweaky peach dealers!

Woody, i know how you feel.

Although i think many of us might agree that some sort of regulations should have been put into place, especially for the NPS 'legal highs', the 'Ban everything psychoactive', is simply total and unnecessary overkill. I have always said that any ban should be on a case by case basis. It makes no sense whatsoever to 'ban everything'. That is an attack on the rights of personal choice and freedom, as an adult.

In the above link to 'that' paper, they are wrongly saying that psychoactive substances ruin lives, whilst being behind alcohol and tobacco which are also psychoactive and ruin the most of lives!

I certainly hope that there will be a substantial enough backlash at this ridiculously excessive ban, and that we will soon find out what will be permitted. It doesn't make sense to ban the psychoactive substances that were not causing problems such as found in plants, although some may still be permitted under the interpretation of the law.

We are seeing more and more of our freedoms of choice being taken away and replaced with more laws that would never have been necessary if proper regulation would have been established in the first place. It seems like an unreasonably cruel ban which will target those who were responsible because of a few who weren't. Madness.



Hmmm. I guess that source is playing it safe for now. Indeed, if all the suppliers end up doing that then that will mean no more 'medicinal products'. Unless of course they decide later on that they can continue to sell. It's all down to the wordings of the law.

Well here's something on a positive note. A website I look at talks to another website who has been talking to the guvment got this back from the Home Office...

"..The Act only captures substances which are supplied for human consumption for their psychoactive effect. The supply of a psychoactive substance for any other purpose is not caught..."

The websites interpret this as not effecting mimosa.So there is hope yet. Maybe we're going to need a subforum on how to dye leather for UK members

Edit: Sorry, just realised the repetition of my quote from Chan's earlier post. My main point is that the vendor I refer to still intends to carry on trading for now.

Well our government has finally gone and done it... they didn't listen to any of the scientific reasoning handed to them and have put forth a ridiculously unenforceable law.

They have changed the wording of their definition of "psychoactive", instead of using the puerile description they had before... here is an interesting article which goes into more detail on the subject.

Basically they have changed the nature of the ban so it only deals with substances that act similarly to the ones already covered by the "1971 Misuse of Drugs Act". As the article I posted states, it is all very vague for a reason.

Only a matter of time, before a red-faced Tory (or judge or "government adviser" ) is caught with his pants down, literally, a big ol' butt-plug in his shaking hands, and his shiny nose deep in a pile of pissy M-CAT...

There are no vices off-limits to that lot.

Haha! Sounds about right

Will be fun to see how this plays out. I seriously cannot believe that people are gonna be expected to be only left with Alcohol and tobacco, after all these years of relative choice, and 'cognitive' freedom.

It's like taking a bag of sweets away from kids!

haha:

I find Dr.Zee absolutely hilarious!

What he is doing with this 'Methspresso', is simply attracting attention to the ridiculous nature of the idea of trying to ban psychoactive substances.