I never said anybody was wrong, I simply said "for me, this is how it is"

Regardless if you personally thought it was the least like death, this was my interpretation...well, not just mine, it's a very common interpretation spanning back millennia, "aya" means "dead" , "soul" , "ghost" or "spirit" and "huasca" means "vine" in quechua, it's the "vine of the dead/spirits" or "the vine that give you access to spirits/the dead/death"

I've also had two experiences where I had died, I was revived both times after a short period, but that had nothing to do with my interpretation of DMT as death, nor did the history or cultural connections between DMT and death...I actually went into DMT expecting a terence mckenna-esk sci-fi fantasy*, and when I got there I instantly knew where I was, it was the after death, I had left my physical incarnation into a space after death, but before whatever comes next, reincarnation if your Buddhist or eastern, paradise/damnation if your monotheistic, who knows, because no even DMT can take you that far. I didn't have to think about it, I knew what had happened, and I knew where I was.

* (turns out mckenna did accurately describe the flash, but before I had smoked I played attention to all the wrong things, when I listen to mckenna now, I hear what happened to me described, but before I had smoked all I heard was "machine elves", I only picked up on the subjective stuff before I had smoked. )

DMT gives you access to non-physical being, death is non-physical being....

And though this has never been confirmed, I have a feeling that DMT May be involved in our major transitions, in our transition from the womb onto earth, meaning DMT May be involved in the chemistry of birth, and it very well may be involved in the chemistry of death...

It's either that, or, "the blank-slate" DMT induces ( your free from culture, ontology, ego, etc...) is identical to the "blank-slate" you experiance at birth and death.

Again, these are my personal interpretations, I'm sorry you were not able to gain much from DMT, but for others it has changed their lives in miraculous ways, and can't be so easily dismissed. I suffered from mild depression up until my first DMT experiance, now it's completely vanished. Before my first DMT experiance I was agnostic, a Buddhist mediator, I enjoyed eastern philosophy, but I was agnostic, leaning towards atheist, now I have no doubts that there is conscious existance after death, and following the implications of that realization has opened up a rich and amazing spiritual path for me, and above all, after my first DMT experiance I was left with a genuine happiness and love for life that still has not faded. I have not smoked DMT since 2012, (though I still occasionally drink yagé, I would not say I'm putting DMT on "a pedestal" but when something was the catalyst and gateway into so many beautiful things, when something had transformed you so completely, you give the credit where it's due.

...honestly it was probably going to happen any way, one way or another, and the DMT just brought everything out in a tremendous display of transcendence and transformation.

Any way, I'm only speaking from my experiance, and OF COARSE everybody is different and everybody will react differently.

...though telling someone to "be in for a surprise" is good advice in 9 out of 10 first time experiences...

Dr. Rick strassman would ask them "do you like roller-coasters?", and it is that type of intensity...

I have heard people say that DMT is unimpressive, but I've never seen it, every time I have watched a person smoke DMT, and reach peak experiance, they were always extremely shook up, most were astounded, astonished, in utter disbeliefe, it's never been a "light" experiance, and I've never seen a person dismiss it that easily after just smoking... but that's just my experiance.

It's better advice for a person who has not smoked to say "take this stuff seriously" rather than saying "I was unimpressed"

I've also seen DMT utterly destroy individuals, and it really is not something to be played around with...


-eg

Wow, is this a "my psychedelic is better than yours" war?

I didn't like it as much. So what? How does it affect you? You obviously enjoy it and I respect that. Goes without saying.

And yes, psilocybin and DMT are too similair, bro.
I'm pretty sure that if psilocybin was smokeable, I couldn't tell the difference blindfolded.

Peace

Might as well try a few 10-20mg doses to see how it goes, wont really tell you anything deep but might help with pre flight anxiety

safe travels

Why is it that when people talk about DMT, they're always talking about smoking it? Oral DMT is a lot better than smoked DMT imo, though smoked DMT isn't really my thing unless it's Changa. To me, oral DMT is pretty awesome, definitely feels better, to me anyways, than LSD for example. And one time i took 2 grams of Pink Buffalo Shrooms and it felt very similar to DMT, though more gentle and lengthened in duration, plus a "shroomy" character, so i'm sure Shrooms are awesome too, and i really wanna try out Psilohuasca one day, maybe even with some Mimosa or Acacia in the mix. But oral DMT is definitely where it's at for me.

Correct translation is vine of souls which doesnt say anything about death..... (spirits arent automatically dead - for example - some might claim that you and I are also spirits wearing bodies!) It helps you talk to plant spirits and nature spirits. Also - Ayahuasca doesnt have DMT in it, though DMT is often added.... But many tribes work with just the vine alone and still call it Ayahuasca.


Many none physical things are not dead or living.... Think about spirits who never had living bodies or think about electromagnetic waves....

I wouldnt say it is impossible to have an NDE, just that it seems rare with DMT. When Rick Strassman dosed 500 people only 3 had traditional spiritual or dying type experiences - which is only .006%! (not a high number)

I smoked it at least 100+ times back in the day.... Not a single dying type experience, though I have had a real NDE (sober - drowning) and probably 10-15 dying type experiences with other psychedelics.... So I am not saying it never happens - it just doesnt seem so common.


I dont feel the same way..... There is no evidence supporting this at all, and when I had a NDE while drowning, it was nothing like DMT at all..... But if DMT does play a role, I think it is one of many factors involved - most experiences in yoru body involve more then one chemical right?


I am not saying DMT has no value.... Just saying that I wasnt so impressed with it compared to other psychedelics, and I think other psychedelics have more potential for insight and therapeutic effect. I think DMT is over-rated by some, but I dont think it is worthless..... If there were no other psychedelics around, then I would turn to DMT.... It is pretty low on my list though. I understand others rate it higher - we all have our own opinions.


I dont think any psychedelic is a toy.... But I also watched many people have breakthrough experiences and afterwards say it wasnt as deep as they expected from reading online. I know I felt that way. Roller coasters are scarier for me personally - I love them though.

I wouldnt tell others to avoid DMT if they feel called to it - I think people should do whatever they like. Just mentioning my opinions as part of the discussion. I know some people are real into DMT, and I also know many others who werent super impressed.... Each person is different.

I would rather have a rough DMT experience then a rough mushroom or Ayahuasca experience any day. At least it only lasts a few minutes and so far for me has never been very physical..... Of course - I am not seeking any rough experiences, as they come often enough on their own for me.

I see no need to compare tools in a toolbox.

Where did that quote come from?

-eg

I apologize, perhaps I do let my personal connections to the compound "take over" when speaking about it.

I would never put compounds against one another...

If you want to go to a foreign land, you can take a boat, a train, a plane, a car, a bus, and so on, each has its own individual advantages and disadvantages, some are fast, others are slow, some can only go on sea, others only on land, and so on, either way, they are all vehicles.

This is how I see Entheogenic compounds, they are vehicles, they are keys, they are tools...

But it's THE EXPERIANCE that matters, the entheogen did not transform me, the experiance did.

Like I said, it may have happened to me anyway, and DMT was simply the vehicle I was using when it occurred...

Everybody has different bio-chemistry, different stages of rest and health, different genetic make-up, nobody the same...

I think the "ultimate transcendental state" the experiance should be the goal, if entheogens fail try meditation, if meditation fails try yoga, or whatever, it's the transformative experiance that is the goal...

And arguing with one another over compoubds is pure "drug snobbery"

-eg

Travsha, while I can see you put effort into your argument, I can't see any productive outcome, I can see potential for negativity, argument, and frustration, if you don't agree that's fine, I'm not here to convince anybody of anything, I simply share my experiance and thoughts.

Now, sharing our experiences and thoughts can really benefit us as a community, or we can degrade into pointless never ending contentious wastes of time and energy.



-eg

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tseuq

From my keyboard.

-jesus


If you want to discuss points I made I'm in, but responding in a passive aggressive manner because you took my opinion personal brings nothing to the table. It's just ego talk. Peace

No, there was a quote in the top of your post with out a name on it, I was simply wondering where it came from, was it from this thread?

That's all,

-eg

sorry, my bad

Enthogenic-gnosis, the quote came from this posting by user safrol, just preceding your own first contribution to this thread. I'm a bit surprised that you hadn't noticed or couldn't find it back.

Of course, I do agree with the implicit complaint about inaccurate referencing. Added to that, I want to add my own complaint about unnecessary superfluous quoting. I'd appreciate it if members were a bit more considerate about formatting for readability.

Damn, yeah, I should have seen that, my fault.

Thank you for clearing this up.

I Will also be mindful of this, as a good deal of my posts are disorganized and loose readability as a result, I will also be mindful to keep my own quotes relevant and with the source clearly labeled.

-eg