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lightbender
#1 Posted : 4/14/2016 1:26:25 AM

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I've attempted to extract DMT from ACRB several times and have often had very small yields of very white crystals. The last extraction, I followed this tek with no modifcations and I am perplexed as to how absolutely no crystal was precipitated.

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- Acacia Confusa root bark (sourced from a presumably reliable source) was thawed and dethawed over 2-3 days
- 100g powdered root bark was funneled into a 2 L glass jug (this tek uses a plastic bottle, but I felt glass would be more appropriate)
- 500 ml water and 60 ml white vinegar were added to the jug and allowed to sit for 2 days. jug was occasionally stirred and sat in a warm water bath for the first few hours. then rested at room temperature until ready to proceed to the next step
- aprox 80 g rock salt (grey to white color) was added to 400ml boiling water (some salt did not fully dissolve and stayed in the pyrex measuring cup after pouring into glass jug)
- remaining 500-600ml of water was added to top off the jug to the neck, as the tek instructs
- 20 grams of sodium hydroxide was measured and added to measuring glass, three times (scale maxes at 20g
- the basic soup was allowed to rest overnight before naptha pulls began
- 50 ml naptha was heated in a hot water bath and measured with a graduated cylinder
- approx 46 ml naptha was added as there wasn't quite room for 50 ml in the jug
- five pulls were conducted and collected into glass bottle
- naptha was dumped onto a large pyrex dish
- naptha was placed into freezer with plastic wrap on top of the pyrex
- naptha was later removed from freezer and allowed to evaporate outside via wind with a AC filter placed on top to keep out debris. visible clumps of what appeared to be crystals were floating in the solution at this point
- naptha dish was placed back in freezer for 48 hours
- plastic wrap was cut open at the corner, pyrex was removed from freezer and poured into jar
- remaining naptha was evaporated
- 0g DMT was collected. no goop or xtal was visible

I felt as though this tek was followed patiently and accurately, yet no DMT was yielded

I'd like to note that when freezing, there appeared to be liquid condensating on the plastic wrap, that had a milky whiteness to it. Is it possible the DMT evaporated out of the pyrex if the plastic wrap was not airtight?

Any insight on this would really be appreciated. I believe the bark contains DMT because it has yielded small amounts of white crystals on previous attempts (250mg was the highest yield).
 

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#2 Posted : 4/14/2016 10:33:34 AM

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Why there isn't mini a/b step ? I think it could be the case.
 
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#3 Posted : 4/14/2016 10:57:27 AM

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#4 Posted : 4/14/2016 11:51:29 AM

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lightbender wrote:

- 20 grams of sodium hydroxide was measured and added to measuring glass, three times (scale maxes at 20g


The tek says 50-60g. This is likely your problem - the soup isn't basified enough.
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zknarc wrote:
lightbender wrote:
- 20 grams of sodium hydroxide was measured and added to measuring glass, three times (scale maxes at 20g

The tek says 50-60g. This is likely your problem - the soup isn't basified enough.

Try reading a post three times before responding. Wink
 
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#6 Posted : 4/14/2016 2:20:43 PM

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OP, what agitation of the mix did you do both during making the basified mix and when the naphtha went in?

pitubo wrote:
zknarc wrote:
lightbender wrote:
- 20 grams of sodium hydroxide was measured and added to measuring glass, three times (scale maxes at 20g

The tek says 50-60g. This is likely your problem - the soup isn't basified enough.

Try reading a post three times before responding. Wink

Doh! Well spotted.
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#7 Posted : 4/14/2016 2:50:19 PM

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You should have got a result lightbender if you followed the procedure exactly as you said. I personally like to get the soup warm before adding the solvent but that's my personal preference and shouldn't make a huge difference. Did you roll the soup with the solvent a fair amount?

I'm almost wondering whether the quality of ACRB varies a lot. I've had very mixed experiences - anything from <0.1% yield to >0.9%. On the other hand I can get a guaranteed >1.2% from MHRB every time.

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#8 Posted : 4/14/2016 2:52:39 PM

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Did you try scraping the dish? Sometimes fatty samples of acrb yield a goo which appears as a clear layer on the bottom of the dish and is yellow upon scraping.
 
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#9 Posted : 4/14/2016 6:36:23 PM

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I would say your problem is either not enough base, or bunk bark.
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#10 Posted : 4/14/2016 8:32:16 PM

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Quote:
- five pulls were conducted and collected into glass bottle
- naptha was dumped onto a large pyrex dish

Normally here comes the mini-A/B. Did you by chance do the (half) mini-A/B, trying to freeze-precipitate the unwanted stuff?

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Now pipette or siphon out all the naphtha along with the brown fatty liquid that sits animated in between the two layers and discard this as it contains the plant fats and oils and no longer contains any alkaloids !!


The reason we ask is: you mentioned a bottle...
 
 
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