sucking what ???

Who said they held exclusive rights to these plants, what i was suggesting was their respect and value for those plants.

They've been using them before any white man ever knew about them. The white man has a lot to learn from the remaining 'medicine men' that he didn't wipe out, when he invaded their home.


AH's lovely ripe juicy 'lophs', of course...

What "white man"? I'm white and a man. I did not invade their home. I did not wipe out any medicine men. Please stop overgeneralizing and championing misplaced sentiments.

I'm just gonna leave this here.

https://www.erowid.org/c...s/2cb/2cb_article1.shtml

Europeans also have a long history of using medicinal plants.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih....pmc/articles/PMC3358962/

i consider jamie the modern shaman also and A1.
we have many modern shaman here, but jamie stands out indeed.

the shroom kit thing was kinda funny.
those things are a disaster.

the difference tween banksters and pharma moguls and shaman is.......
we have hallucionogens.

western med isnt perfect.
but they do have this thing for documentation.

im wondering how many here have also sat thru the indian loph thing.
before aya, thats how the rest of us old people did it.

of course i run various ceremonies depending on the drug.
i play this down, and work the students in subtle ways.
also, i have a bad charisma problem ,
people beg me for sessions as it is. if i talked about it,
it would upset my balance of nature.
im" do miracles and shut up and run."
LEO is sharp to a local shaman in most locals.
also,
many of my clients are wealthy , and some have been famous.
they come to me cuz i keep secrets forever. ( AKA good shaman)
if my mouth was as big as my ego, id be in a cage.
( watch some of these aya guys, WILL get caged, NAC is already distancing themselves)


at some point the best students become masters of reality.
some day, some of you will sit with a master, and realize youve exceeded them.
if you dont accept your the master at that point, youve failed the IQ test.

no matter what we are, we will be exceeded in time.
im waiting to see what jamie will be like when hes my age.
should be impressive.

and........ sucking on lophs is easy.
when you grow them like lollipops.

being a whitey/ indian hybrid,
ive come to terms with both heritages,
and would suggest ive evolved to a higher form of both.

hey ganesh don't take it too personally , just move on
there is life outside this thread too

don't really have the time to write anything more , just read what is already written a few more times, in time it will all make sense

also good luck

Perhaps you've only seen the bad ones? All the one's I've seen were good value for money. Anyone can use them without getting organized with all the tools and tricks of mycology.


Ummm, the links I posted pointed out large scale fraud particularly in the documentation part. It is not just the western medicine men who are the problem, it is also the western medicine consumers at all levels. They are as gullible as the victims of "quackery".

Modern western culture is most advanced foremost in propaganda, I sometimes think.

i didnt realize there were good bags of crap and spore prints?

lol. most kit buyers fail.
even if they suceed they failed for skill / ability.

also, ive never seen a kit that could grow enough to feed anyone serious.

i never had kits, i learned pre internet,
thru college bio classes and thru a famous grower, i shall not name.

if you need a kit, your not a master.
masters dont need kits for anything.

Well anne, too bad for you that you never saw a good grow kit, because they do exist.

BTW, nobody is a master of everything.

I think that repeated, specific, fantastical claims require at least a modicum of reasonable corroboration. If I tell you that the moon is made of cheese, it's not your responsibility to prove to me that it's not. I'm the one making the claim, and if I'm making it publicly I should expect to be held accountable to the forces of objective logic.

In this particular instance, I do think these claims and the manner in which he is making them is tantamount to giving medical advice. He is saying that he has personally witnessed any number of terminal illnesses being cured by shamanic intervention. I find this notion naïve and ludicrous to be sure - but more importantly, I think it's a dangerous one to pass along to someone currently facing a major illness and weighing possible treatment plans.

of course not, thats why i stick with sex drugs and rock and roll.
i run with the natural talents.

the serious shamanette , wont be trifled with arguing the obvious on grow kits.

You are the only person saying a ceremony needs an indian. Has nothing to do with indians and has nothing to do with eating drugs. It has to do with sitting in a traditional healing ceremony with a shaman.

And you do tout eating lophs with indians all over this thread. I just wouldnt consider it a ceremony unless it was with a shaman, because most indians are not shamans. Eating drugs does not automatically make a ceremony, and most Natives actually dont use psychedelics in their ceremonies.


You seem very threatened with me telling others what has happened to me, or what I have seen, which I think is very weird. I never said all people seeing shamans heal their cancer or that there are studies pointing to it being the most effective treatment - I just mentioned what has happened to people I know.

If you look up studies on Ayahuasca, you will find some suggesting cancer benefits and diabetes benefits and benefits treating depression.... But these are smaller studies and dont include the shamanic component that I think is more important personally. But there are some studies like this one showing promise for treating cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687784/

Or this study showing shamanic care coupled with rehab is showing a 70% success rating while the next best rehab in the world only has a 30% success rating: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/3243277.stm

Either way - I dont see how it is a crime to let other people what I have seen with my own eyes, and to let other people know what has helped my community. Shamanic healing has saved lives of a number of terminal friends I know who are no longer terminal. I think keeping that information to myself would be unethical, and cruel of me. If no one mentions what they have seen, then there will never be enough interest here to get further studies because westerners think they no everything.

Of course western medicine is the largest killer in USA, but if you buy into their system, nothing is wrong with that.... Studies show that chemo lowers your chance of surviving cancer, yet doctors claim that it is the best treatment (while they turn down chemo treatment themselves). Support that system, but demonize someone just for saying they saw something else that looked better to them?

Of course I never told anyone what the best way was, or told anyone what they should do. I only mentioned what I have seen. If that is a crime to you, then do whatever you want, because it would be against my ethics to lie to people about what I have seen or to hide possible medicine.


Interesting though that Anne claims to be a better healer then traditional shamans earlier in this thread, and that claim is considered okay. But saying that a shaman who has been practicing his medicine for 40+ years who learned his craft from a tradition passed down for generations has had good success from what I have seen.... Not okay? Weird.

Here is a documentary of 8 people going to the Amazon for healing - maybe you can make claims about why these healed under the care of a shaman when they couldnt get healing from western medicine.... Of course it cant be real - they must all be lying or something right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7pr6Y-tY8


And just to balance it, lets look at how effective western medicine is at killing people, yet still getting the public to support it: http://reset.me/story/conventional-medicine-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us/


But they payed for studies, so I guess we should all support them and ignore shamans right?

Oh, and if I have a different opinion about something then you do, I should keep it to myself. Sure.


Maybe there are modern day shamans on the Nexus. But I would only consider them shamans if they heal others through connecting with spirits - since that is what a shaman is. I know a lot of people doing this where I live, so I have no doubts that people in the western or modern world are doing the work. But I also know a lot of people who like to take drugs and call themselves shamans even though they dont do the actual work..... So I would take "shaman" claims with a grain of salt unless the person is healing illness repeatedly.

I saw your post earlier claiming that western medicine kills more people than heart disease in the US and i thought to myself "how can this be??"

That resteme link makes things a bit clearer. The video is by Mercola.com. Surely Joseph Mercola has an agenda by posting a video like that?? He is a business man.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

It's great that you feel the right to decide what makes or does not make a shaman but fortunately the world is not limited by your view. There are many on the Nexus who might be called urban shamans and their magik is just as valid as the native in South America. North Americans learnd their own kinda spells.

And curing AIDS? Take that BS elsewhere, travsha.

Travsha - I'm not at all threatened by your claims. I do, however, feel a responsibility to guard against quackery and the proliferation of dangerous misinformation. You say you personally know someone who was HIV positive, visited a shaman, and now is not. I say you're full of shit, and unfortunately for you I have the ability to ban you, so yes, I'm saying keep it to yourself - unless you'd care to post your friend's before and after test results (along with your friend who no longer has cancer, and your TWO friends who have been cured of epilepsy...)

hug46 - Thank you for posting that link. It puts the whole matter into better perspective.

If he sells something, it doesnt automatically make his claims wrong. If his numbers are fabricated, then that makes his claims wrong. I dont think it is fair to dismiss him outright unless you have other sources with different numbers, or can point out exactly what he was misleading about. If the numbers are correct, then they are correct, regardless of who told you about the numbers.

The original claim I made about this was based on past research I did, and not the reset me article. According to CDC statistics Western Medicine is the top killer. If you split up the unique causes of death within the western medicine umbrella, then prescription drugs would be the second largest killer after Heart disease. I did my research a few years back, so I dont remember the exact links for the CDC numbers that I had used before, so I was just looking for a quick source that said something similar.... There are tons of other articles about how many people western medicine kills like this one too: http://draxe.com/conventional-medicine-is-the-leading-cause-of-death/

All that being said - I think western medicine can be good for treating acute injury. It has its place. But it is also a huge business run more by what makes money then what works. Cant really keep science honest or objective when money becomes the main goal.


I wasnt deciding what makes a shaman - it is a word with a commonly used definition. I am using the common definition. Look it up in a dictionary if you are confused. I also never said South American shamanism is better then North American or anything like that - all I said was that shamans heal people with the aid of spirits. Has nothing to do with race or where someone lives - has to do with ability. I know many North American shamans living in modern cities. I know many shamans of all races and colors and nationalities. Race has nothing to do with it at all.

As for curing AIDS.... Well my friend no longer has HIV according to his doctors. There is also a well known doctor in Iquitos who supposedly cures AIDS (he cured my friends prostate cancer) - and many local papers write about him all the time (Dr. Roberto Inchaustegui). Dont believe it if you dont want to, but at least my friend is healthy now and I am glad for him.


I never said for anyone to do anything dangerous. If I did - please quote me. I only mentioned my personal friends story. Fine if you dont believe it, and fine if you want to ban me for telling a story that happened. Doesnt change what happened.

You are suggesting a cause and effect between visiting a shaman and instantly being cured of what are known to be incurable diseases. You are strongly suggesting that people suffering from such diseases eschew modern medicine in favor of spiritual treatment by a shaman, which I find to be dangerous and irresponsible - and that is exactly what I will ban you for if you insist on continuing.

If you can post a link that is hosted by site that isn't trying to sell something i would be more likely to take it seriously but the Dr.Axe link refers to an "independent review" by Gary Null (amongst others). He also has an agenda to push so cannot rightfully be seen as impartial.


Also they claim that these diatrogenic deaths could be 20 times higher. That means that up to around 15 million Americans are killed by Western medicine every year???!!! That's like about 5 percent of the population.

never claimed to be a healer.
in my practice, i offer the opportunity to trip with a pro,
with the highest quality hallucinogenic plants, lab grown.
i always present people heal themslves.

if one claims the healings, one also has to claim the casualties.
any major doling of hallucinogens, your gonna have some.
you better believe i count casualties, its why i show great caution.
shaman who dont count casualties , are frauds IMO.
its not all roses and cancer cures!

i say 35 yrs plus experience,
but actually its about 40.
gawd im old.
not many survive this game to my age.
theres still a war out there.


loph indians are as old as anything else.
aya indians have no monopoly on time or trips.

a new animal has risen,
hyper smart hybrids with education, experience, and self supplied.
with modern communications and equipment,
the modern stoned age, exceeds the stone age.

the wise would be well advised to learn from the ancients,
and then exceed them.
^ its our duty.