How does Ayahuasca Healings and ayaquest not get busted by law enforcement? I'm a member of ayaquest but I no longer go because I know they are lying about being legal. They charge a insane amount of money for there ceremonies and they wont teach you how to brew medicine but they will send you $15-20 worth of aya in the mail for 400-500$. Makes me so mad that they are putting people in danger.

I wasn't familiar with ayaquest and I was under the impression ayahuasca healing never really got off the ground and had closed up due to all the controversy around them.

Either way both sound like sketchy business and are probably best avoided, imo.

Edit: Wow ayaquest and ayahuascaatlanta sure are brazen, using paypal and everything.

I've also never heard of Aya Quest. I can't do it tonight, but tomorrow I'll look into them and make a post for the questionable/fraudulent provider thread.

If you're comfortable with it, would you mind posting about your experiences with them in the thread linked above? It's a compilation of information about fraudulent and/or questionable organizations that claim to offer legal protection for psychedelic drug use. The purpose is to have a single thread that can be used as an easy reference for anyone considering attending a retreat, healing, or otherwise.

If not that's cool, like I said tomorrow I will do a bit of research and will update the thread. In the meantime I'll add them to the yellow list for questionable providers. (EDIT: I've also finally added Ayahuasca Healings to red, which at this point probably doesn't mean too much considering they've closed up shop)

ONAC churches have gotten busted on at least 3 occasions for cannabis so far - lost each case. So they are being watched and busted by authorities.

That being said - there has never been one single Ayahuasca related conviction in the USA. No one has ever been convicted of an Ayahuasca crime here and police are not really looking to get into that right now.... There isnt really any dangers or crimes associated with Ayahuasca use and there is no pressure from the public for them to stop Ayahuasca use.

The only Ayahuasca related court cases in USA so far were also decided in favor of protecting religious use of Ayahuasca. So there is an established precedent to protect religious freedom here. That being said, a few of the things that allowed the SD and UDV to win their cases were that they only had one sacrament, they did not sell the sacrament and kept it under lock and key, and they do not charge large prices that make it look like a business. They also are fundamentally concerned with spirituality and religion - not healing (which might make it medicine, in which case it isnt protected legally). ONAC would most likely lose any case they have because they use more then one sacrament and because they sell everything for large prices. Also - you are not legally allowed to serve the sacrament until you get a DEA exemption, so that would probably be another point against them.

I think if police are going to court over this, they want to really make sure they will win. They will probably spend a lot of time collecting as much evidence as possible, and they may even wait for someone to screw up and get hurt first. They dont want to waste money on a court case they will lose, so they will probably make sure they have a perfect case against someone before charging them.

this thread is full of interesting things:
http://forum.culteducati...ead.php?12,131244,page=1

ONAC & AH is known to the DEA & law enforcement, (my guess is) its just a matter of time until the DEA collects enough evidence and brings the big ole hammer down on the main ONAC "church". Until then the fools who got tricked into the stoned fantasy of being able to buy into a "native american church to bypass any law" will keep getting busted.


Oh and the leader of that "ONAC ble$$ed" brothel *found guilty on 22 counts:

http://www.azcentral.com...ilty-22-counts/81219800/

(*edit, i guess the brothel hasnt been sentenced yet, just found guilty)

I would love to but I can't post in that thread because im not a full member.

Oh my mistake.

Feel free to send me a message with whatever you'd like to say and I can post it. Of course, only if you're up for it.

The problem is that it wasn't all bad. The ceremony really changed my life and I'm glad that I did it. It just makes sad when I see something so great turn into one big lie.

I appreciate the help. give me a couple of days and i'll have something for you to post up. I just need to think it over. thanks

No worries either way. Please only share if you're compelled to and if you feel that sharing your experience might help others avoid potential harm. If you feel like the experience was positive overall for you thats great.

I would love to post it myself haha.