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idtravlr
#21 Posted : 8/6/2009 9:20:57 PM

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lbeing789 wrote:
there has been a definite increase in awareness with regards spice, more people have heard about it, probably because the internet spreads these experiences quite far.... also I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the effects of spice have something to do with the culture and time we live in... for example, I would be surprised if shamans had similar futuristic, graphical, digitised experiences that SWIM has had on spice (then again, maybe they did, then the ontological implications are even more bizarre)...

...but anyway, I don't think we have much to worry about with regards spice becoming a highly used street drug, something SWIM has learned is that dealers only sling addictive substances that reap large dividends, SWIM finds it impossible to believe something with such radically different effects could become addictive, in fact, the drug itself seems to illicit sum kind of irrational fear (super respect) that doesn't make sense considering the stuff is so amazing and SWIM has never had a negative effect, SWIM cant do it more than once every 3 months, even if SWIM really wants to, it's strange really.

Finally, although extractions are relatively easy, SWIM suspects large scale operations actually makes far less profit than the other popular street drugs... and if the law was smart they should focus their attention on the drugs that cause real social harm... utopian I know.

SWIM does believe however that everyone should try it, because it is a truly humbling and has fascinating implications on the nature of being and our purpose as human beings... it's still a mega mystery but all humans need hope and many act on faith alone, spice taught me that most theology is even more wrong than I thought it was before, but on the other hand, it also taught me that there is so much out there that we dont understand and it's a truly gratious experience to breakthrough and realise that. SWIM spent most of his life pondering existence and had formed a rather dogmatic view that was shattered by those revelations, well, I dont want to say shattered because this stuff is just unknown at the moment... it's crazy when I read or listen to great authors or lecturers pondering existence, now I cant take them that seriously because they havent tried it and half the time I know that a real psychedelic experience would give them more to think about.

It shouldn't be sold that's for sure, it is truly sacred in that respect in that something so magical shouldn't be overused because like everything in life it may lose it's magic and SWIM loves having the ultimate experience reserved for special moments in time. I am slightly concerned about everyone finding out the secret because sometimes I'm conflicted about whether I wanted to see it myself... I mean, once you've stared into the vortex of infinity can you ever be the same again? Rolling eyes

Well stated Ibeing789. Those are all very good points that I hadn't really considered much (with regard to street sales and profitability). Finally we're back on track with this debate! Smile With some rationality too! Thanks for your reply. Pleased

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#22 Posted : 8/7/2009 6:55:05 AM

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it's crazy when I read or listen to great authors or lecturers pondering existence, now I cant take them that seriously because they havent tried it and half the time I know that a real psychedelic experience would give them more to think about.


Sure. I remember asking: Why me? Why me who sees these things, in my small room, unknown to the rest of humanity? This should be seen by people who are among the most respected members of society: scientists, politicians, businessmen, those who have the control in their hands! Something seems totally backwards here, when the secrets of the universe are discovered by hippie freaks and teenagers stoned out of their minds. The Light humanity is looking for is hidden in the shadows, where no one would search it.
 
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#23 Posted : 8/7/2009 7:25:23 AM

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it's crazy when I read or listen to great authors or lecturers pondering existence, now I cant take them that seriously because they havent tried it and half the time I know that a real psychedelic experience would give them more to think about.


Sure. I remember asking: Why me? Why me who sees these things, in my small room, unknown to the rest of humanity? This should be seen by people who are among the most respected members of society: scientists, politicians, businessmen, those who have the control in their hands! Something seems totally backwards here, when the secrets of the universe are discovered by hippie freaks and teenagers stoned out of their minds. The Light humanity is looking for is hidden in the shadows, where no one would search it.

Rest assured that scientists, politicians, businessmen, etc. are all amongst the members of this small society who are experiencing the wonders of psychedelics and, to a smaller extent, DMT. The problem is that societal mores, and stigmas repress the desire for these influential people to speak out in public.

Steve Job's of Apple Computers once said that taking LSD was "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life." I respect him for saying that in a public forum. We just need more of that. Unfortunately it's going to be a long time coming before the truths of psychedelics become accepted by general society. I do have hope though! Pleased

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#24 Posted : 8/7/2009 12:45:31 PM
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SWIM has once traded the spice for some cannabis and even felt very awkward in doing that as well. Even though the person SWIM traded it with was a friend's really close friend. SWIM still felt very awkward. SWIM explained to him that this was not to be sold and was to be used only by himself, not to be shared and the whole shebang.

A few months down the line i got in contact with my friend to see how his friend handled the situation and what SWIM told him. Everything went well. But still SWIM feels awkward in doing the trade.


When it comes to selling..... SWIMs cannabis man had told SWIM that his friends, a group of teenagers and drug/cannabis dealers from Texas were selling the spice in "small amounts" for "decent prices", as in available to anyone who wanted it... I assume this group was offering it to their customers along with the cannabis... This saddened me deeply, he was even speaking of wanted to deal it himself if he could get his hands on it. Very sad to hear, i no longer associate with him for that reasons and some others.

Spice is gaining popularity very quickly. Its in a lot of conversations at some of the small private festivals i go to. This wasnt the case 2 years ago... Now its booming.

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#25 Posted : 8/7/2009 3:08:51 PM

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Let's hope it stays out of the media, seriously. There is no quicker way to get something done than to rile up a couple thousand angry moms.
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I am certifiably insane, as such all posts written by me should be regarded as utter nonsense or attempts to get attention.

I don't know SWIM and personally don't trust him at all. If SWIM is posting, most likely I will not respond...as I said, I don't trust the guy. YOU I trust, but never SWIM.
 
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#26 Posted : 8/7/2009 3:33:23 PM

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I think it would be so awkward to hear a news caster talking about DMT that I cant imagine it happening. Even when helicopters and a swat team rained down on Professor Fanaticus, the local news (this happened in my county) didn't seem to pick the story up or at least it didn't become a profitable topic to discuss from the media's perspective.

If there is a conspiracy to keep the masses complacent then one of the first line of offense would be keeping the letters D.M.T. out of the public's attention. As it is I think most people who obtain it on the streets would get into their pipes gung ho and quickly find out that becoming ego soup isn't something they would wish on their arch enemy.
I guess it's about time for our William Tell routine.
 
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#27 Posted : 8/7/2009 3:43:54 PM

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Jumiem wrote:
As it is I think most people who obtain it on the streets would get into their pipes gung ho and quickly find out that becoming ego soup isn't something they would wish on their arch enemy.


Very true, its not that people are being denied spice, most really just don't want it, and if they do happen to come across it, most will only try it once, and find out it really isn't for them.

The whole "spread it to the masses" thing is flawed in so many ways. It just won't work like that.

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I am certifiably insane, as such all posts written by me should be regarded as utter nonsense or attempts to get attention.

I don't know SWIM and personally don't trust him at all. If SWIM is posting, most likely I will not respond...as I said, I don't trust the guy. YOU I trust, but never SWIM.
 
idtravlr
#28 Posted : 8/7/2009 3:56:54 PM

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^Well, I do know that's it's already in the media to some extent. There were a couple of posts (I think on the Nexus, but maybe on bluelight, drugs, or erowid) that had links to news articles about a mother turning in her son for making DMT in his room, and another guy who was recently busted for making DMT in his home.

I don't think it will become a top priority for the feds or law enforcement in and of itself, but I think our biggest risk right now is the use of similar extraction chemical to meth. We need to seriously focus on new methods of extraction, using less caustic and non watched chemicals. The new teks people are finding using limonine, etc. are a great start. I think this is an effort that we should focus a lot of energy on.

The bust reports I've seen so far all compare the spice to meth, purely based on the chemicals that are used for extraction. This is so far from the truth, but that is what the public feeds on.

EDIT: This is in response to post #25. I prematurely epostulated. Embarrased

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#29 Posted : 8/7/2009 4:12:28 PM

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acolon_5 wrote:
its not that people are being denied spice, most really just don't want it, and if they do happen to come across it, most will only try it once, and find out it really isn't for them.

The whole "spread it to the masses" thing is flawed in so many ways. It just won't work like that.




I agree with acolon_5.
I have tried to guide a total of 6 people into the world of spice, but only 2 of the 6 wished to continue exploring the sacred molecule.
It's just not for everyone.
Give the spice a little smile... and cross the veil in style.
 
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#30 Posted : 8/7/2009 4:21:49 PM

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From what swim seems to notice, the people trying or wanting to sell it, have no relationship with spice whatsoever. To them its just another commodity to exploit. People with a good relationship with spice (like people here) know that selling spice is wrong in their hearts. Also people trying to make money, dont want to be extracting and researching, they just want to buy and resell, so eventually they realize its not even worth it to sell and leave it alone.
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#31 Posted : 8/7/2009 7:38:10 PM

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dmt, spirit molecule, dream powder a way to get down usually smoked but can be taken orally with inhibitors. getting digitial is a must. pineal gland 3rd eye visions.

got down and digitial. im with the spirits right now


getting digital, huh?
 
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#32 Posted : 8/8/2009 2:49:35 AM

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Seven wrote:
From what swim seems to notice, the people trying or wanting to sell it, have no relationship with spice whatsoever. To them its just another commodity to exploit. People with a good relationship with spice (like people here) know that selling spice is wrong in their hearts. Also people trying to make money, dont want to be extracting and researching, they just want to buy and resell, so eventually they realize its not even worth it to sell and leave it alone.

The source I procured it from was a wise teacher of the spice and had been using it for a fairly long time, their product was very good and their prices were more than reasonable (I doubt they were making money). Just because someone sells DMT doesn't mean they don't respect it, they're just trying to spread the respect - and I'm not talking about some mass DMT awareness, just making it available to the people who need it.
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#33 Posted : 8/8/2009 12:25:31 PM

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Burnt this could be your number one profound reply.


Basically what I am saying is grow your own drugs make your own drugs use your own drugs once you start moving those drugs around its more likely you will get caught and then all the fun is over.

now thats some damn good adviceLaughing

you got my vote

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#34 Posted : 8/8/2009 1:47:25 PM

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Basically what I am saying is grow your own drugs make your own drugs use your own drugs.

Amen to that!
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#35 Posted : 8/10/2009 2:55:29 PM

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MagikVenom wrote:
Burnt this could be your number one profound reply.


Basically what I am saying is grow your own drugs make your own drugs use your own drugs once you start moving those drugs around its more likely you will get caught and then all the fun is over.

now thats some damn good adviceLaughing

you got my vote

MV



Yup, burnt hit it. Don't sell drugs and you have a much, much better chance of not getting caught.
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I am certifiably insane, as such all posts written by me should be regarded as utter nonsense or attempts to get attention.

I don't know SWIM and personally don't trust him at all. If SWIM is posting, most likely I will not respond...as I said, I don't trust the guy. YOU I trust, but never SWIM.
 
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#36 Posted : 8/11/2009 3:30:02 AM

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swim knows someone who knows someone who gave out free breakthrough does to around 50 good friends, with the anticipation they would have the same life changing experience as SWIM... well about 20 claimed to have life changing experiences with no prompting, radically different experiences ranging from having hate and depression sucked out of them, another became 5 different versions of herself representing different aspects of her personality and each being a different color (wow), one was transported to an alien robot construction yards with giant robots walking around and robot reptilian creatures, one saw a wall of amazing patterns and colors described as "gods wallpaper" haha, another found themselves performing photoshop operations with their mind (???), yet another found themselves in an episode of the simpsons...

Unfortunately 2 had somewhat difficult experiences, but SWIM would attest this to improper respect, neither believed it would be as intense as it was (should've listened)... plus they had no good tunes on and were surrounded by people, although that wasnt their fault... so one had extreme auditary hullications were all sounds in the room were intensified, plus multi colored skull and crossbones were flashing at him, but to make matters worse the guy fought the experience, trying to stand and move around, someone then shouted out "dont fight it!", he immediately settled down and from then on said the trip was amazing.. this guy was also going through some shit with his ex that night so SWIM thinks his set and setting was all wrong... the other guy had done tonnes of acid b4, and simply wasnt that impressed by the experience... SWIM thinks he could've tried harder.

The conclusion of the experiment left SWIM with a feeling that everyone should try it because the odds of have a life changing experience are pretty high... but yeah, most people, even the ones who had amazing experiences said they would probably never do it again... not because it was bad, but because it left them with a feeling of super respect for the substance... almost everyone noticed the mood uplifiting after effects including one dude who is known for being ultra depressed and moody.
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#37 Posted : 8/11/2009 8:33:11 AM

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Yea but your results are biased because it was in a population of people who wanted to try it. I dunno if the responses would be so positive in the general population of non drug users.

I don't see pulling a timothy leary as a very good way of showing people this substance. Psychedelics are finally being appreciated slowly by scientific community and I'd hate to see that get swamped by some over idealistic naive persons. Also we are lucky to have such access to all the plants that some of these substances come from and attracting negative attention is the best way to get them banned. The best way to attract negative attention is to spread it far and wide. Let those who seek the substance come find it not the other way around.
 
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#38 Posted : 8/11/2009 12:51:23 PM

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burnt wrote:
Yea but your results are biased because it was in a population of people who wanted to try it. I dunno if the responses would be so positive in the general population of non drug users.

I don't see pulling a timothy leary as a very good way of showing people this substance. Psychedelics are finally being appreciated slowly by scientific community and I'd hate to see that get swamped by some over idealistic naive persons. Also we are lucky to have such access to all the plants that some of these substances come from and attracting negative attention is the best way to get them banned. The best way to attract negative attention is to spread it far and wide. Let those who seek the substance come find it not the other way around.


Well I'd totally agree with you if we were talking about about acid... I think it's obvious that Leary ruined it for everyone because his judgement was heavily effected by the lsd and as a member of the scientific establishment, they were never gonna allow that. Also there was nothing wrong with his idea that everyone should try it... cuz LSD is amazing, but it also seriously messes you up... I feel differently about DMT though, SWIM has taken enough lsd to realise that it's real effect is your mind basically cant figure stuff out properly and so it "fills in" the gaps in reality.... DMT in SWIM's opinion is somewhat "real" or at least it shows you the true depths of mind and the amazing possibilities of our imagination.... I do think it has the potential to affect your judgement but in a more positive way that LSD... SWIM knows a bunch of serious acid casualties even some that are in mental homes right now... like I said there was only really 1 semi-bad trip in 50 and that guys didn't follow the instructions.... plus it's somewhat impossible to overdose and shit it only lasts 10 mins.

Plus don't forget what I said at the end of the post, most people, even the ones who absolutely loved it, said there was no need to try it again, they got the message load and clear.
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#39 Posted : 8/11/2009 1:09:12 PM

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Also I'm not quite sure how biased the experiment was, I mean, yeah, it wasn't on the general population... it was only drug users... but if you've made the stupid decision not to even try drugs, then your definitely not gonna try DMT are you? when I say everyone should try it, I'm not talking about squares who will never try anything.... actually I'm not even sure of that, for those people sometimes I think it would be good to spike them or something because I think personally think they're wasting their lives... especially the religious puritan folks, obviously SWIM would never do such a thing, but SWIM wonders what the world would be like if they took good drugs instead of bad ones... imagine if bars/clubs didnt sell alcohol, tobacco and just sold vapo weed and quality mdma for ravers (shit maybe even LSD if the quality could be regulated), barmaids just hand out water, people get a set amount every few hours based on body weight... I think the world would be so much more chilled... where SWIM lives, cocaine is a scourge, that and alcohol is turning the whole city into a bunch of tweeked out morons looking to fight people.

Also, having tried almost everything, SWIM really cant compare DMT to any other substances, it's not like a "drug" in the typical sense, it's more like a ticket to another world.
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#40 Posted : 8/11/2009 3:36:13 PM

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Yea but your results are biased because it was in a population of people who wanted to try it. I dunno if the responses would be so positive in the general population of non drug users.

I don't see pulling a timothy leary as a very good way of showing people this substance. Psychedelics are finally being appreciated slowly by scientific community and I'd hate to see that get swamped by some over idealistic naive persons. Also we are lucky to have such access to all the plants that some of these substances come from and attracting negative attention is the best way to get them banned. The best way to attract negative attention is to spread it far and wide. Let those who seek the substance come find it not the other way around.


Thank you burnt.

you said it perfectly.
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The Spice expands consciousness
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I am certifiably insane, as such all posts written by me should be regarded as utter nonsense or attempts to get attention.

I don't know SWIM and personally don't trust him at all. If SWIM is posting, most likely I will not respond...as I said, I don't trust the guy. YOU I trust, but never SWIM.
 
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