This tone seems juvenile and unwarranted. Pitubo seems to be addressing this matter from a position of valuable experience and with honest criticism, and has taken the time to share some truly seasoned perspective... Perhaps you are mistaking criticism for hostility, or perhaps you may be reacting a tad too defensively. Nobody is being heartless; misleading and ridiculing confused honeymooners like you can be a total riot, but that's generally not what we do on the Nexus and it's certainly not what's happening in this thread.

Since you seem to be spinning things so wildly out of proportion, emptiness, let me make something clear which may help you put the replies in this thread into perspective:
Exploration of the unknown is a challenging and risky undertaking which requires a maturity, strength of character, purity of intent, sound physical and mental health, a flexible and educated mind, and dedication to you path and your work. If you do not approach the challenge with at least this much preparation, then your ride will be a trial-by-fire that you are likely to lose. There are well-known and thoroughly documented risks to psychedelic use and access to this information has never been more available. If you are not prepared to question reality, your worldview or your sanity, then you are not fully prepared for the alteration of consciousness which psychedelic use can provide.

You must accept that there are those who DO want good reason to question their sanity, who are capable of gracefully navigating through effects such as persistent hallucination, efflorescence of Deja Vu, derealization or hyperrealization, abstract thinking and permenant, profound alterations to perception, who pay no worry to those hangups or challenges which may traumatize or distract others, and who display a great deal of courage and charisma in their approach to the psychedelic realms...
And you must realize that you are not one of these people.

We are not here to nurture you, coddle you or validate your emotions, nurse you through difficult experiences or spoon-feed you the exact information which you seek. We are here to learn, share and expand our consciousness. If you are here seeking input on your situation and are expressing trepidation or displaying signs of mental illness, then you should expect to be educated on self-responsibility, strength of mind and character, and objective critical reasoning. Self-work is a discipline; Expect to be chastised when you attempt it on your own with little self-discipline to begin with.

The truth is that scores of people here have been through similar or incredibly more severe hardship than you have, traversed it with grace, and yet still took nothing but healing, growth and inspiration (among other manifestations of their good intentions) from the experience... They're just more able and more prepared to use these tools than you are; They do not fear and distrust the unknown like you do, and they do not cling to their beliefs and illusions like you do...

And that's okay.

There's nothing wrong with opening the door to the unknown and realizing that it's far bigger and far more powerful than you can cope with, or had even imagined it could be. Discretion is the greater part of valor, and there is no shame in stepping away from an opportunity which you sense will not assist you in manifesting your intention.

The challenge presented to you should be clear; You can face your reservations and allow the power of the substance and the experience to immerse you in that which challenges you most and be initiated in the fires of trial and defeat... Or you can leave. It's that simple.

I would personally suggest the latter, since you just don't seem to have what it takes to turn this into a beneficial experience; Find another path which suits your limits and abilities.
If you choose to keep going, then it's up to you to gather your wits about you and get through it on your own two feet. Nobody will be there to throw you a crutch when the rubber really hits the road, and it is your responsibility to manifest what you seek against potentially impossible odds.

If you choose to back away and seek shelter in your material, 4-D world of everyday life, then do not be so foolish as to assume that you'll be stuck in some quasi-psychedelic limbo of alien derealization forever... That very assumption is all that has the power to keep you there; The mind will adapt to meet your needs and manifest your intention. Faith in your will and the power of reason and neuroplasticity will win out in the end. Obsessing over your current challenges and unfamiliar states is undisciplined at best, and at worst weak and foolish. You seem at least bright enough to keep yourself out of that trap.

All right, let me put it this way: DMT is a mental trap, a direct pathway to a part of hell known as Spirit World. By taking DMT, especially at breakthrough doses, you commune with the demons. Dancing with the devil is a stressful experience and hence your natural defense mechanisms kick in: anxiety, de-realization and distrust of the DMT substance.

There sure seem to be a wealth of assumptions implicit in that statement... Do we really need to press our ontological assumptions on others with words like "is" so flagrantly used? Surely, a DMT trip can be stressful and can trigger anxiety in some, but the negative effects here are likely due to a cowardly demeanor and lack of preparation as well. The OP is at least addressing this topic in terms of what can be integrated into a terrestrial, material ontology... The least we could do is attempt to communicate on that level wherever possible.

Treat your dogma like your privates; Keep hell to yourself.

Instead of blaming others (in this case the way DMT is advertised*) why not try taking some personal responsibility for your understanding of the molecule and the amount of research/effort you invested prior to ingesting one of the most powerful psychedelics known to man?

That said I'm locking this thread. OP needs to absorb the suggestions of others before this devolves any further.



*DMT is not advertised

Every logical statement is based on assumptions, whether explicit or implicit.


Pressing is not the same as sharing my point of view as I do here. The verb "to be" indicates a statement which follows from assumptions. You can argue whether the assumptions are correct, but there is nothing wrong with using "is" if the formal deductive logical rules are not violated.


Stress-fullness of a trip and DMT triggered anxiety are given facts. You explain the facts with cowardly demeanor and lack of preparation. I explain them with hell and demons. Both explanations are valid: they can address the facts without violating the formal rules of logic. There is nothing intrinsically embedded in the facts that makes one explanation more likely than the other. Which one to choose is thus a matter of personal preference.


The topic can be addressed through both the material and religious ontology. I don't see any logical reason as to why we should exclude the religious one.


Why? Simply ignoring any non-material paradigm is neither logical nor reasonable.


Your statement is self-contradictory: "Treat your dogma like your privates" and "Keep hell to yourself" are dogma's themselves, for you have not provided any logical explanation why I should not share my believes. You simply stated that I shouldn't, which is dogmatic.

It is said that a Free Spirit is able to descend in the Greatest Depths of Hell and bring Grace, Consolation and Bliss. And that is possible because All is empty.

A Free Spirit is not a warrior who "grew a pair". That is just a compromise. It is not an Eternal solution, because it still classifies things as "success" or "failure"; such analysis is done by the mind. A Free Spirit simply emerges when the mind, which never belonged to anyone in the first place, is gracefully and irreversibly given up. And what a tremendous relief that turns out to be!

Such a Free Spirit remains unscratched by even the most Demonic sights, because they are All empty.

Having said that, anyone's volition remains for a long time so remarkably resilient, that no amount of Truth can catapult it permanently to no-mind pastures. Volition will permanently disentangle from the mind only when there is absolutely no other choice left. And that moment comes entirely on its own accord. When it comes is dictated by the dynamics in your life, so it is actually very important to pursue "your life's calling" as relentlessly and quickly as possible (don't worry, all roads lead to it after a while). But the important thing to remember is that under such circumstances, your best strategy is to not take drugs very seriously.

After all, drug experiences are empty . Just like everything else.