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#41 Posted : 3/9/2016 6:15:46 AM

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Er... While I'm glad that my posts were found valuable by some, I'd like to apologize for my abrasive manner. I'm coming off some rather potent pharmaceuticals and am finding that my attitude has been... peculiar, at best.
 

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#42 Posted : 3/9/2016 3:35:15 PM

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It would have been a pity if peculiarities would drag all attention and the true message becomes obscured by that. Emotions stripped away, the mere core message had value IMHO Thumbs up

BTW, "kahones" is indeed a prerequisite and not really gender specific here, found this funny slang term rather pretty accurate in the given context.
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But if someone really develops questionable syndromes then keeping off (temporarily?) is not sissy anymore but the right thing to do.
 
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#43 Posted : 3/10/2016 7:19:21 AM

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Jees wrote:
...But if someone really develops questionable syndromes then keeping off (temporarily?) is not sissy anymore but the right thing to do.
Wouldn't that particularly depend on the user's goals and limitations? Psychedelic drug use over a prolonged period of time, in which one is consistently pushing their limits, is really a fantastic way to spark radical shifts in consciousness which can be directed and navigated with great precision. This is not to say that the presence of both the desire and ability to do so is particularly common among the entirety of people who come in contact with the drugs however, so as a general matter of safety, I think you have a really important point.

Any particular effect of a drug which I find entirely unpleasant may be one of your favorite aspects of the experience... And the very reasons why some particular people choose to use them may be the very same reasons why other people may (quite rationally) fear and avoid psychedelics.
I, personally, am totally down with intense deja vu, abstract thoughts, boundary dissolution, persistent hallucinations, hyperrealization and ludicrous synchronicity, and I don't find the negative effects to be unmanageable when I choose my drugs, doses, frequency and setting with discretion. I don't mind a world-shattering psychedelic binge once in a great while (I prefer it Pleased ), so long as I stay within my own limitations and initial intentions... It's a time to reflect on and come into contact with many aspects of consciousness which are fleeting or subdued in everyday life.

Other folks may not like any of that at all; They may just want to check out the waters and return back to where they started with their worldview intact... If that's the case, like you said, it seems self-destructive to continue using these drugs after one has already recognized their ability to shake up life and reality on so many levels.
 
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#44 Posted : 3/10/2016 2:27:37 PM

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Hiyo Quicksilver wrote:
Jees wrote:
...But if someone really develops questionable syndromes then keeping off (temporarily?) is not sissy anymore but the right thing to do.
Wouldn't that particularly depend on the user's goals and limitations?...

Yes.

I think Emptiness made OP especially to consider his/her limitations and asking the forum for input to become better in deciding if there is something alarming or not. Like red flag or not?

Lot of valuable input is given (in the form of personal stances) and no reply since. As a rare exception I PM'ed Emptiness for some feedback to this thread, I normally never do such but in this case... (just intuition).
 
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#45 Posted : 3/13/2016 11:34:41 AM
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Moongo wrote:
The real question IMO is;

Can you trust your mind?

lol


That reminds me of the film INSIDE OUT when they go in to imagination land... you can get lost in there and never come out? trustworthy? think not

Moongo wrote:
How is your sanity different after any fully immersive event? Questioning your sanity or personality could come from many sources of new information. For example you could fully immerse yourself in a book or online and learn new ways of going about things. You might learn new ways to use your mind and think 'that makes so much sense, how could i have ever thought something the other way, i must have been insane'..

Whether you climb a mountain or jump out of a plane or smoke DMT.. YOU do not change, you have new experiences and new information.


While I agree with you that DMT shares the same obligation to intergrate as other activities like reading a book, jumping out of a plane etc. I do not agree that the parallels you are drawing are EQUAL IN MAGNITUDE. Empirically, you could study the result of PTSD from both undertakers of skydiving and DMT and I know which one would have a higher rate of PTSD... why? because of the INTENSITY of the experience. DMT is an absolute MIND FUCK.... reading a book? not so much.
 
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#46 Posted : 3/13/2016 11:42:25 AM
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I have a suspicion that seeking out altered states is actually a symptom of depersonaliztion / derealization, which may cause some confusion as to what's actually going on. It almost sounds like you've begun to feel the beauty of an expanded conciousness. It's just not quite what you expected.

Without much knowledge of your past history, I can only speculate that there was some sort of trauma in your past that has been brought to the surface. Perhaps it's time to dig down and face those demons. And therein lies the magic of this molecule. When treated with respect this molecule becomes a tool that allows us to see our life in an entirely different vmanner, without criticism or judgement. Simply as it is. But first, we have to learn how to let go, which can be extremely frightening or difficult.

This is another wonderful part of this tool, in that the transition will happen so quickly you won't have time to question what has happened until you're almost back to baseline. The experience usually leaves one left with a sense of awe and wonder, along with a new appreciation for life and a sense of gratitude.

Trust the molecule. Treat it with the utmost respect and you will be rewarded in unimaginable ways. It's difficult to wake up from our dreamy lives and to experience life from this perspective, but time will be your friend here.



I love your optimistic attitude and before I smoked DMT this is all I saw DMT being advertised. Big bold letters of "ENHANCE YOUR LIFE NOW".. untill I had a few bad experiences and started researching how many others actually DO NOT have happen to them as what you describe.

I wish it was so perfect as to let go of fear and let the healing commence. What people like me would need in that situation is some omen of good faith that no harm will come to them. Like wearing floaties and your having your mum swim next to you Embarrased The trouble is right now is that there is nothing that will make me trust DMT and so I will probably carry out the rest of my life in a half-deranged derealized state all because there exists no method of establishing a connecting of trust... especially not one that involves me having to go out on a limb and risk putting my sanity on the line.
 
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#47 Posted : 3/13/2016 12:03:10 PM
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The point about exactly how immersive his previous experiences have been I think is a good one though. It seems to me even with some experience with psychedellics there is a leraning curve & I have seen first hand some take much longer than others to get a good handle on psychedellic use & really understand what is going on in relation to fear and other reactions that occur psychologically during trips.


Can you please talk more about this learning curve you have observed in others? why do some seem to get so hung up on it? What is there to really understand about its relation to fear and other psychological reactions?

concombres wrote:


What i think I going on with emptiness may very well be that number one he was not prepared for the level of awareness that was invoked when he decided to try DMT & did not understand what he was getting himeself into & number two that he does not seem to have a clear understanding of how & why his psychological reaction was the way it was.
Yes, DMT can be frightening, but continued fear months afterwards says to me he has not learned to look at the fear for what it is & learn from it rationally to move beyond it.


I was aware that I would have an enhanced awareness and was sort of looking forward to that as I have lived for far too many years in a state of decripid and almost sickining level of delapidated awareness (brain fog). You are certainly correct that I do not understand why my unconscious mind is pulling all these tricks after the DMT trip is over? All of a sudden 2 weeks after a strong sub breakthrough my mind starts going mental and making me feel like I am tripping as I am going to sleep and starts giving me all these weird psychotic dejavu-like symptoms with word-jumbles.

I have learnt to let go and give in to certain experiences to some degree including altered states, but what really gets me here is that all of this just seems like un-warrented torment from the sub-conscious mind. It is said de-realization occurs as a protection system when the conscious mind has undergone to much stress or complex information. But this does not make sense to me?!?!?! What rational basis would my unconscious mind have in employing some strategic programming like ptsd from dmt anxiety??? THIS WOULD SEEM TOTALLY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO ANY STRESS REACTION. Almost like an anti-evolutionary trait like the dodo birds lol Surprised Laughing
 
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#48 Posted : 3/13/2016 12:13:23 PM
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Global wrote:
Emptiness wrote:

How do you all manage to keep you wits together after you dive so far deep?


It's like driving a car. You know there's a probability that everything can go wrong and you can get injured, die or injure or kill other people, but you weigh the risks and benefits and more often than not, decide to operate a motor vehicle. So in this analogy, driving a car is actually far more hazardous than smoking DMT, which will neither kill/physically injure you nor other people. I went for months of smoking regularly before having a bad experience. Theoretically if I would have decided to stop smoking before that experience, I would have easily made it out of the rabbit hole unscathed.


Comparing the safety profile of driving to the chances of incurring PTSD or HPPD from psychedelics is without a solid foundation. The safety of driving a car is determind from the billions that do drive and the chances of hppd are determined from only the few handful of millions that drive and I would assume that that would indicate that obviously there is a higher rate of people having 'bad trips' that getting in to accidents, especialy due to how delicate sanity is.
 
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#49 Posted : 3/13/2016 12:22:46 PM
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Jees wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
So do I trust DMT will treat me right? NO. Why not? Because ...
This is much telling, if not all. It goes much further than just a way to put it in words. It is very indicative.
I look at it like this:
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So do I trust that sports-car will treat me right? NO. Why not? Because I end up in the scenery more than on the track.

1) driver is hard/software non compatible with the car;
2) driver is compatible but doesn't know how to drive a sports-car.

In both cases the car is not to blame, yet in the quote all and only blame is directed to the car.


I don't see how it makes any difference... I was everytime refering to the use of DMT in my mind. It is like the chicken egg argument. What is it that sets psychosis off? Is it the DMT? Or is it the brain itself? It's both of them together and not one or the other. But it just seemed linguistically more apprehendable and appropriate to say it is the fault of DMT because the brain is in a default unharmed state until DMT comes along and so in this respect DMT is the catalyst for psychosis even though you need both the brain and DMT to create psychosis.

Jees wrote:

Back to DMT:
DMT will never treat YOU it is YOU who treat (yourself with) DMT in the first place.
You do not even have the option by far to trust DMT or not, there is only trust on one selves to be yes/no compatible, plus the way you deal with it, all you, you & you.
That is why I suggested he (Emptyness) looks in the mirror to see his own enemy and savior in one packet.

If he had asked: "Is it possible to be physiologically and/or psychologically non compatible with dmt?" Then I would say Yes, be careful, but it also might be temporal adaptation processes that reflect the re-calibration of your soul compass. Get up-close personal assistance/guidance if that's possible to help distinguish between real non-compatability from adaptation processes. If it's the latter indeed, a more careful take-on might be called for. I'm just guessing from behind a key board half a globe away, take care!


OK i see I am my own enemy and saviour, even though I don't know who "I" am. So what now?

How does my personal assistant (you) help to distinguish distinguish between real non-compatability from adaptation processes?

I think you are touching on whether some peoples are just hardwired to recieve dmt and others arent? Half a keyboard away or half of 7 billion different states of subjectivity away? Immense, I thought those that were "called to dmt" were already compatible? Wut? Razz

 
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#50 Posted : 3/13/2016 12:42:19 PM

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I love your optimistic attitude and before I smoked DMT this is all I saw DMT being advertised. Big bold letters of "ENHANCE YOUR LIFE NOW".. untill I had a few bad experiences and started researching how many others actually DO NOT have happen to them as what you describe.

I don't think that the dmt-nexus promotes a view of dmt that it will "ENHANCE YOUR LIFE NOW". In fact it promotes "critical thinking and basic autonomy". Assuming and blindly believing in magical cures is not considered critical thinking. You may find enthusiastic and even raving reports of dmt use here, but those are subjective experience reports. Nobody here in their right mind will claim that using dmt is the key to the heavens (well okay, maybe some incurable Terrence droids do) or even mental health. Many here will agree that it is an interesting tool to study one's mental processes.

There are several important documents that are linked at the top of every page of this site. One is the Attitude Page, which also contains the above linked part about critical thinking and basic autonomy. Another is the Health and Safety guide. It contains this piece of text, that may apply to your situation:

Health_and_Safety wrote:
DMT/Ayahuasca and mental health

The research mentioned above (and available here) has shown that in a careful controlled setting, ayahuasca (oral DMT) use, even with a certain regularity, causes no cognitive/emotional/social problems. Users presented elevated levels of happiness and health. Nevertheless, these users were part of a strong-knit community with shared values and constant support between the members. The controlled setting they partook the substance in helped them make sense of the experience and special care has been taken in integration (see Integration section below).

Vaporized DMT, on the other hand, has not been the focus of published studies. The overwhelmingly extreme nature of the experience, as well as the almost instantaneous onset (wherein the user is launched into the peak experience within a minute or less) lends itself to the possibilities of panic and existential terror. The complete and utter inscrutability of the experience can leave one vulnerable in the aftermath. As mentioned above, integration issues big and small are not at all uncommon. Most who have traveled to any degree have dealt with this in some way. It is very important that those planing on vaporizing DMT take a special care with set and setting, approach with a respectful attitude and take time for integrating experiences.

Like with other psychedelics, DMT provides a very powerful emotional/mental experience, so those with personal or family psychiatric history are contra-indicated. A psychedelic experience can possibly waken a latent schizophrenia or exarcebate a pre-existing mental illness.

While there are several cases of 'psychological healing' and anecdotal reports of cured depressions and other mental issues, DMT and other psychedelics should not be considered a cure-all and will not heal everybody. People who are unstable emotionally or going through some very difficult moments in life should be aware of the special risks that undertaking this experience has for them. If, after informing themselves thoroughly of the possible risks, they still decide to do it, then it's recommended to do it only under the supervision of an experienced person/professional/shaman, as well as taking special good care with set and setting and integration.

There has been at least one case witnessed in this forum where a member appeared to suffer from a mental-breakdown following DMT usage. Most people who are drawn to DMT have a history of use with other substances that could potentially have had negative impacts on mental health. Some may be bringing existing problems with them- we are not aware of the mental health history of members. For these reasons, it is unclear whether isolated instances of mental health problems are due to DMT usage.

If you feel that your mental health may not be in tip-top condition, and even if it is, research very carefully before deciding if you want to commit to this path.

How were you not informed and warned by this?

Emptiness wrote:
I wish it was so perfect as to let go of fear and let the healing commence.

Letting go of the fear can be one of the hardest challenges in life. Accomplishing it may yield one of the best prizes. DMT will not bring you it, but it (and many other experiences) may remind you of the value of life beyond fear. Note that fear does have its place in life, though it should be a warning, not a prison.

Emptiness wrote:
.. risk putting my sanity on the line.

Perhaps DMT and other intense psychoactive experiences are better left alone by people who are unwilling or unable to question their own "sanity" to begin with.
 
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#51 Posted : 3/13/2016 12:56:08 PM
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pitubo wrote:

I don't think that the dmt-nexus promotes a view of dmt that it will "ENHANCE YOUR LIFE NOW". In fact it promotes "critical thinking and basic autonomy".


I never said anything about the nexus? I was just saying that that was how DMT came across, in the same was that robotripping comes across as 'a drug u should stay the hell away from' lol

pitubo wrote:

How were you not informed and warned by this?


Because the nexus isn't the only plase that people discuss DMT, it also happens in real life too which for the purposes of your arguement may have been what I was refering to? Also, most people that I know who have tried DMT have NOT read the healh and safety info on the nexus before taking DMT, mostly they just typed "DMT experience reports" in to google and that displays the characteristics of the drug and which by no fault of it's own acts as a banner for the drug itself. Which is exactly how I described it in my previous post.

Something tells me (by the vein of your post) that you just want to catch the upper hand on my (perhaps others) arguments and prove them right rather than actually offer good quality advice that could actualy help them?
 
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Emptiness wrote:
I never said anything about the nexus?

Well, you do come here complaining.

Emptiness wrote:
Something tells me (by the vein of your post) that you just want to catch the upper hand on my (perhaps others) arguments and prove them right rather than actually offer good quality advice that could actualy help them?

Do you think that the information in the Attitude, in the Health and Safety and in the FAQ pages are there to catch the upper hand too?

I'm not your mom and I am not here to give you floaters. Besides, we don't SWIM here anyway.
 
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pitubo wrote:

Emptiness wrote:
I wish it was so perfect as to let go of fear and let the healing commence.

Letting go of the fear can be one of the hardest challenges in life. Accomplishing it may yield one of the best prizes. DMT will not bring you it, but it (and many other experiences) may remind you of the value of life beyond fear. Note that fear does have its place in life, though it should be a warning, not a prison.


Thanks, that's good advice

pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
.. risk putting my sanity on the line.

Perhaps DMT and other intense psychoactive experiences are better left alone by people who are unwilling or unable to question their own "sanity" to begin with.


No one in there right mind wants to go insane, not even people who breakthrough on DMT want that.

So then, just because you don't want to go insane doesn't mean to say that DMT is not the right thing for you. It just means that you might be the type who clings to some of your preformed myths about existence and might be shocked if they are changed. I can handle that change to some extent as long as it is for the good of the individual in terms of "spiritual growth" and doesn;t lead them down a path to madness instead. What I can't handle is the illogical sensory panic attcks, existential anxiety attacks and other psychotic symptoms that seem to stem from as the health and safety section puts it "vulnerable in the aftermath" and so it looks like that is what DMT is triggering by virtue of some wacked out psycholgical protection phenomenon that doesn't even make rational sense.
 
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#54 Posted : 3/13/2016 1:19:22 PM
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pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
I never said anything about the nexus?

Well, you do come here complaining.


And it would make no difference if I complained elsewhere? The way DMT is advertised is the way DMT is advertised. 'advertised' being indirect use of the word to describe how it is seen generally on forums.

I really am not sure of the bone you are trying to pick here? Why don't you tell me pitubo how this is relevant to find some clarity in the problems of my OP? Or is this another tactic that you just want to 'school me on'? rather than trying to be my friend?

pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
Something tells me (by the vein of your post) that you just want to catch the upper hand on my (perhaps others) arguments and prove them right rather than actually offer good quality advice that could actualy help them?

Do you think that the information in the Attitude, in the Health and Safety and in the FAQ pages are there to catch the upper hand too?

I'm not your mom and I am not here to give you floaters. Besides, we don't SWIM here anyway.


You are deflecting that argument to the attitudes section rather than addressing it. Just be a kind individual and admit to me that it is a gracious thing to put the ego aside by stopping playing policeman and start playing nurse. Who are you trying to be on these forums? A lawyer? or are you a friend?

Maybe you yourself just need a little more love in your life, then you might start acting more compassionately and less judisciously on these forums hopefully.
 
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Emptiness wrote:
pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
.. risk putting my sanity on the line.

Perhaps DMT and other intense psychoactive experiences are better left alone by people who are unwilling or unable to question their own "sanity" to begin with.


No one in there right mind wants to go insane, not even people who breakthrough on DMT want that.

I think that you may be misapprehending my point.

Emptiness wrote:
preformed myths about existence and might be shocked if they are changed.

What about the preformed myth of personal sanity?

Emptiness wrote:
What I can't handle is the illogical sensory panic attcks, existential anxiety attacks and other psychotic symptoms that seem to stem from as the health and safety section puts it "vulnerable in the aftermath" and so it looks like that is what DMT is triggering by virtue of some wacked out psycholgical protection phenomenon that doesn't even make rational sense.

What if your dmt experiences unbalanced some wacked out psychological protection phenomenon that caused you to be unaware of any pre-existing psychological issues? What if your current problems are part of that same phenomenon, but now in overdrive, trying to restore the damaged illusion of "sanity"?
 
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And it would make no difference if I complained elsewhere? The way DMT is advertised is the way DMT is advertised. 'advertised' being indirect use of the word to describe how it is seen generally on forums.

DMT is not advertised like that on the dmt-nexus. Period. Your arguments make no sense.

Emptiness wrote:
You are deflecting that argument to the attitudes section rather than addressing it.

I'm not trying to have an argument with you, really. I'm just pointing out the relevant facts as they are.

Emptiness wrote:
Who are you trying to be on these forums? A lawyer? or are you a friend?

I'm pitubo. I'm not your mom. Grow up and become your own mom. Do your complaining to yourself first and then take responsibility for yourself. Now that would be healing and a sure sign of personal growth. You can do all that without dmt, btw.
 
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pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
And it would make no difference if I complained elsewhere? The way DMT is advertised is the way DMT is advertised. 'advertised' being indirect use of the word to describe how it is seen generally on forums.

DMT is not advertised like that on the dmt-nexus. Period. Your arguments make no sense.


That is just it!! I never said it WAS promoted like that on the nexus, out of nowhere you wrote this huge post rebutting a statement that didn't even exist. FACEPALM!

BTW It is not an argument, it was a statement which you argued was false while misreading what was originally said.

I said DMT appeared to me to be safe by way of seeing how people experienced it by their write-ups etc.. but it wasn't untill I looked deeper that there are quite a few have slaps and some trauma. Even in reality the people I have met promote it with good reputation and while leaving out the bad parts.

pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
You are deflecting that argument to the attitudes section rather than addressing it.

I'm not trying to have an argument with you, really. I'm just pointing out the relevant facts as they are.


But it was unnessecary for you to do so... moreover, it was incorrect for you to do so because I wasn't talking about the nexus. which makes me think that you want to tell people whats right rather than listen and be warm etc.

pitubo wrote:
Emptiness wrote:
Who are you trying to be on these forums? A lawyer? or are you a friend?

I'm pitubo. I'm not your mom. Grow up and become your own mom. Do your complaining to yourself first and then take responsibility for yourself. Now that would be healing and a sure sign of personal growth. You can do all that without dmt, btw.


I am putting forth my experiences and trying to make sense of them. If you see that as complaining then so be it, go read another thread but for some people this is a real problem which is probably why it is described in the health and safety section on this site.

Once again you just want to attack and put down me, telling me to "grow up" "complain to myself". You honsetly think that I just skipped this step and came straight on to the forums? Yes, folks... you can cure yourself of DMT induced PTSD TODAY FROM JUST THIS ONE SIMPLE STEP.. heres our sponsor pitubo with the secret answer... Pitubo says: all thats needed here is a simple dose of "grow a pair". Thumbs down

I am sorry you are being heartless here. I hope for yoursake you stay out of this thread unless you have something more to say that is actually constructive.
 
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...I think you are touching on whether some peoples are just hardwired to recieve dmt and others arent?...
Yes, I think you are wired (as to this day) to stay clear of steep powerful molecules. Just and only my idea when reading your posts. Under extreme/personal guidance of very experienced people: maybe.

Emptiness wrote:
...I thought those that were "called to dmt" were already compatible?...
That logic escapes me totally.

PS: I second much of pitubo's arguments btw.
 
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Emptiness wrote:
concombres wrote:


The point about exactly how immersive his previous experiences have been I think is a good one though. It seems to me even with some experience with psychedellics there is a leraning curve & I have seen first hand some take much longer than others to get a good handle on psychedellic use & really understand what is going on in relation to fear and other reactions that occur psychologically during trips.


Can you please talk more about this learning curve you have observed in others? why do some seem to get so hung up on it? What is there to really understand about its relation to fear and other psychological reactions?
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Why do some people become doctors and some murderers? Some both? No one tell you why some people have a seemingly harder time with psychedelics then others. I often joke that the less you like them the more you probably could benefit from them. Sure that's probably not 100% true, but the point is that what makes us uncomfortable has the ability to catalyze change. DMT can make me super uncomfortable. Part of the reason that keeps me working with it.

It was a great personal crisis that began me into a journey That saw almost of my beliefs and views of the world and myself completely dissolve and change. It's not easy, and some days it freaks me out, but I've come to understand why it does and can allow for that fear to pass through me instead of gripping me.

For me it's been about understanding why I have these fears or reactions to things. It's about understanding they are there for some reason. It's about understanding my relationship with them and why I must face them.

I think this is kind of what comcombres may be talking about.

Reading this thread I was reminding of reading this one before I had my first experience with the spice.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=30533

There fixed the link
 
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#60 Posted : 3/14/2016 4:49:55 AM

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Hiyo Quicksilver wrote:
Global wrote:
Psybin wrote:
OP clearly stated they had had several DMT trips, with possible HPPD and negative psychological effects.


Hmm, I completely overlooked that. In my first post, I was posting under different pretenses.

It's very easy to overlook, because it isn't there. Wink


Emptiness wrote:
So do I trust DMT will treat me right? NO. Why not? Because I suppose it has being giving some really bad post trip hppd experiences with derealization and other strange dejavu-esque thought loops after only a sub-breakthrough even though I had good intentions (to feel the beauty of an expanded consciousness).

How do you all manage to keep you wits together after you dive so far deep?



I apologize for my hypocritical tone, as it maybe isn't as clear as I implied. If you're skimming you could easily miss it.
 
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