Not only have I thoroughly read the opening post, but every other of this members' posts linked in their profile; And while an experience report as well as other posts have indicated that this person has used psychedelics before, it is clear that they have not experienced a fully-immersive hallucinogenic environment, OBE, or anything of the like. I might invite you to take a bit more time to read up before replying, as well.

The user has spent quite some time at the keyboard on this forum simply fretting of "how close" they were, grappling with feelings of imminent death, and other topics overwhelmingly common to novice DMT users, none of which are out of the ordinary for any of us nor would be considered particularly traumatic or dangerous. There is no reason I see to treat this person with kid gloves, so I will not.
In fact, it seems to me this person's use is rooted in mere fascination rather than a desire to use the drug as a tool to manifest intention. This is an attitude I will always, colorfully, discourage... Despite protests from those who think it a heavy-handed approach. Feel free to add your own suggestion to contrast my own, but also note in doing so that I do not go around attacking others' advice made in good conscience when asked for. You needn't do so either.

I will also not defend my position against assumption and cater to those who would rather derail a thread by criticizing the wording of of its replies, rather than speak to the actual topic of the thread. Feel free to add your own reply to this discussion or the OP, but please keep in mind the guidelines for doing so, and direct all personal, off-topic comments to the recipient's PM inbox, rather than cluttering up a public thread... That way, your comments can be neatly disregarded in private.

Also, if you quote my posts, please do not edit them. Removing one word to take my comment out of context and validate yours is... Tactless, at best.

That being said... Hopefully we can get this thread back on topic. Thanks for your criticism, ya'll, but that's not what this thread is for.

Hmm, I completely overlooked that. In my first post, I was posting under different pretenses.

It's very easy to overlook, because it isn't there.

It sounds like he is talking about himself here.

I think hiyo has a good point here to some degree.
I`m not saying emptiness has not had previous psychedellic experience to some degree, he very well could have, but without knowing him personally it seems like speculation to say what he has or hasn`t experienced.

The point about exactly how immersive his previous experiences have been I think is a good one though. It seems to me even with some experience with psychedellics there is a leraning curve & I have seen first hand some take much longer than others to get a good handle on psychedellic use & really understand what is going on in relation to fear and other reactions that occur psychologically during trips.

What i think I going on with emptiness may very well be that number one he was not prepared for the level of awareness that was invoked when he decided to try DMT & did not understand what he was getting himeself into & number two that he does not seem to have a clear understanding of how & why his psychological reaction was the way it was.
Yes, DMT can be frightening, but continued fear months afterwards says to me he has not learned to look at the fear for what it is & learn from it rationally to move beyond it.

This is much telling, if not all. It goes much further than just a way to put it in words. It is very indicative.
I look at it like this:

1) driver is hard/software non compatible with the car;
2) driver is compatible but doesn't know how to drive a sports-car.

In both cases the car is not to blame, yet in the quote all and only blame is directed to the car.
Back to DMT:
DMT will never treat YOU it is YOU who treat (yourself with) DMT in the first place.
You do not even have the option by far to trust DMT or not, there is only trust on one selves to be yes/no compatible, plus the way you deal with it, all you, you & you.
That is why I suggested he (Emptyness) looks in the mirror to see his own enemy and savior in one packet.

If he had asked: "Is it possible to be physiologically and/or psychologically non compatible with dmt?" Then I would say Yes, be careful, but it also might be temporal adaptation processes that reflect the re-calibration of your soul compass. Get up-close personal assistance/guidance if that's possible to help distinguish between real non-compatability from adaptation processes. If it's the latter indeed, a more careful take-on might be called for. I'm just guessing from behind a key board half a globe away, take care!

How beautifully said.

I don't think any of us are truly prepared for what the psychedelic realms can reveal to us, or at first have the slightest clue what is happening to us unless we've taken up our drug use as part of an already established path of psychospiritual exploration with a firm foundation (a foundation which is sure to be shaken even still).

Nearly all of us will have to navigate conflicts in our ontological assumptions and systems of belief, tolerate aberrant perceptions after times of heavy or initial drug use, and summon the strength of mind required to allow our perception to take new form according to our will... A person's exaggeration of these challenges or their initial underestimation of their severity before choosing to use the drug does not, in my opinion, earn them regard as someone who is uniquely challenged by their experience or unduly suffering through their exploration. These effects are well-noted even in our own harm reduction materials here on the Nexus.

Fear of unfamiliar psychological environments or derealization, while seeking to explore expanded consciousness through use of a drug, indicates to my sense of reason that the user had not entered into such an adventure with a full comprehension of the extreme extent to which psychedelics can be used to their own intended ends ...Which is in no way a bad thing; We've all got to find out somehow...

But to take long in grappling with the realization that it is precisely these very moments of strange perception and thought, feelings of derealization or hyper-immerersion in reality, alterations in and development of one's sense of deja vu, which lead to and, through exploration and familiarity, enable similar expansion of consciousness to that which we may feel while in the sacred states induced by our beloved hallucinogens... That is what may inspire some to choose to inspire better questions, rather than give better answers. It's simply a matter of personal style.

^ that said (meaning my former post) and why I said it:
apart from any possible biological-non-compatability, I incline to postulate by the way he poses the issue, that he approached the DMT landing zone in some skewed angle due having some serious per-conditioning(s) leading to painful corrections when applied by the master molecules, corrections that have shadows outside the usage time frame, and may be the very effects he describes.

It does indeed seem as if those parts of our lives touched by hyperreality tend to carry a glint of the magic with them for quite a long time, even as the changing of the seasons can dig up memories and feelings from deep inside.

If only those aspects of us which have gone under the knife in hyperspace and retain their psychedelic trappings would rear their heads so peacefully as a note of nostalgia hidden in a spring rain...

I think this is a distinct with pure re-creative when it gives a deep heritage

OP did not come back here yet?

When people talk about bad after effects, I always think of the bad pre-effects that lasted so long they became the default accepted bias. Or as Nick Sand said: Have no fear becoming delusional, you were already in it. People wishing for an expanded consciousness but not ready paying the bill for it. People want change but resist to effects of changing. People like sofa's and remote controllers very much. Can I have my enlightenment with a bag of pop corn and a bucket, no two, of cola pls?

No offense to certain people, to others, yes

A very good quote, Jees! I like it also because it expresses the some of the revelations that I felt when I first dropped acid.

I think that your earlier analogy with the sports car is also quite on the mark. I do not know OP personally, so I can only guess at his/her background. But based on the wording of the thread starter post and an earlier altercation with OP, I believe that personal maturity may be an issue.

Well said jees, as usual.
You know, despite all the negative in emptiness` reaction to DMT, one thing I have observed when he does post, and I may be wrong, is that it almost seems that he wants to continue to use DMT but is attempting to reach out for help integrating the previous experience.
Now, i cannot say how he may or may not react or what he will glean from some of the very well put & helpful replies here, but I do believe if he comes back & is able to read through what has been said here without mistaking truth for hostility due to it being difficult to deal with, he may just begin to gain some traction back & begin to integrate his experience.
Then again, sometimes understanding things of this nature must come from within & all the tips given will make sense all at once when it happens

All that being said I had actually been wondering when emptiness would pop back in & if he was making any progress. It has been a couple weeks since I have seen a post from him.

I have to agree with what others have said in response to this statement. It is YOU that needs to treat DMT right. To trust that DMT will treat you with respect and bring you gently back to earth at the end of every trip is asking for trouble. Understanding and accepting the challenges you may face during a fully immersive experience is just as important when choosing to use DMT as it is when you are integrating your experiences after having used it.

In my experience, derealization and deja vu thought patterns appear after particularly difficult experiences and can be exacerbated by trying to return to DMT before I'm truly ready. Working through whatever it was that made me feel uncomfortable in the previous trip before venturing into another is key. It is only after I am honest with myself about confronting these issues and making a conscious effort in accepting them that I can come back to DMT.

It might not be what you are actually trying to say but I feel like this intention labels you as just an observer of the experience rather than being part of the journey. During a fully immersive experience, DMT is not just a slide show that can be enjoyed as just an observer. It is immersive and can leave you feeling everything from being loved and embraced by the universe to drowning and fighting to stay afloat. Going into it with a real intention of being part of the experience rather than an observer may be helpful.

YES! Well said. I had intense derealization after a trip I believed myself to be killed in that was tied to real life PTSD I was dealing with after being a victim of armed robbery. BUT that particular journey I was shown eternity and everything important in life was crystal clear. After a lot of work re-integrating through meditation prayer and sharing with people who care I grew as a person. I won't say change but growth, yes. And as ND said that growth doesn't have a shelf life. I have to stay with the work if I want it implemented.
I prefer to say I work with DMT rather than saying I get high on it or "use" it. Keeping that syntax in my intention helps me remember to respect it. Sometimes it is the magic carpet ride and sometimes it throws me in the trenches.
The OP sounded like his trip was sub-breakthrough. Had a discussion a recently about the dysphoric feelings that can come with not hitting the mark.

@Shiva13: There are a lot of really great points in your post, all very well communicated! I think it's definitely worth a read by the OP, and definitely deserving of a . Thank you for joining us!

For somebody who is fairly unclear as to what may be revealed in the entheogenic states in the first place, I'd say it's wholly appropriate to approach it with the intention of feeling out the expanded consciousness which the drugs may produce... But, as was previously said, it is taking part in that continuum which often leads to the opportunity to continue further into that unfamiliar territory and grow to understand it and function effectively within it.

Once that contact has been made, however, to continue in a spirit of mere fascination (or because one's self-identity has been linked with the drug and its use) seems a bit shallow, in a manner of speaking... That "honeymooning" period should be one in which the user can, in their familiarity, come to make an educated decision as to whether or not there is valid reason and opportunity to continue that relationship with the drug to positive effect.

While attitude is a matter of taste which we can all speak to at length, it seems clear that the OP is at least asking the right questions in some places, questioning their own intentions and perceptions at times, and giving consideration to their long-term well-being.

I think, regardless of our own attitudes and habits at addressing would-be initiates, the OP does at least deserve credit for questioning their reality and asking for advice from others who may have a different perspective...
This person may not be a born Space Ranger, but at least they seem to have half a thinking mind at their disposal.

I've often advocated to be the observer and still do, but here is a very ambiguous definition of "observer" possible:

1) as Shiva mentions: observing as nothing more than some sight seeing;
2) as I mean: observing of the full partaking process well beyond sight seeing.

Things could be quite different handling one or the other definition.

Yes Hiyo it is good that OP came here stating his(her) mind

Good point.. We can "observe" ritual, discipline, sacred acts, etc etc...

English is such a joy.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If your worried and think it won't go well for you then it isn't the right time to enter that realm.

This.

Such an incredibly accurate and insightful post.

+1