Maybe, you can get a delirium from mega-doses of LSD. That would also explain why some people say it took them a year or longer to get over it.
That's the only explanation i have for those stories.

SWIM used to live in San Francisco, the LSD capitol of the world, and SWIM used to know a lot of Dead Heads and a lot of people with direct access to real LSD which was being made in the neighborhood, and SWIM can tell you that this story about a mythical LSD "family" that makes LSD religiously to “save the world” is complete bullshit. It's like believing in Santa Claus. There never was, never will be, any such thing. These are the kinds of stories people make up while high on LSD. Only kids talked about such things. The people who actually were distributing LSD lived within walking distance. These were normal people you could see at the local coffee shops. They just happened to be making LSD because they liked it. Not to “save the world” or any other such nonsense. There are so many rumors like this that surround LSD its amazing.

SWIM knew two of the local LSD chemists personally. They were not making LSD to “save the world”. These guys were scientists, not religious nuts. One of them had a permanent scar on his hand from spilling concentrated sodium hydroxide on his hand. He could be seen on the streets quite often. He usually didn’t distribute the LSD personally, but a few times he would, when he was high on it. That’s how SWIM got to know him. Both chemists eventually got arrested.

Every story about “the family” is different depending on who you talk to. That’s how you know it’s a rumor. Every story about taking “thumbprint” doses is also different depending on who you talk to. That’s how all rumors are, they change from person to person. Each person adds their own bullshit to the rumor and it grows.

The Dead Heads had what they called “the family” which was real. This was a network of Dead Heads who were trustable long time members who often had connections to drug dealers. That’s all. Nothing more than that.

9 times out of 10 you can tell something is a rumor when everyone you ask says something different about it.

Look at this quote. This is from the DEA's Microgram Bulletin for May 2008:

"Submissions of blotter paper actually containing LSD are currently uncommon"

LSD is extremely rare. Most blotters in the USA do NOT contain LSD. I know a lot of you out there think you're getting the real thing, but you're not. Most people are getting RCs. Also from the same DEA's Bulletin:

"Over the past five years, there have been numerous reports of blotter paper laced with drugs other than LSD, usually designer tryptamines and phenethylamines"

Now that's from last year. That's fairly recent. SWIM and all of his friends cannot get real LSD anymore. It’s been that way for about 10 years now.

Over here in europe we get lots of LSD. I can't imagine why it would be different over there. But maybe it is.

I've had lots of blotters with real proper LSD in them during the last year. Some of them quite strong even. And before you start telling me what my blotters contain or don't contain, some of them have been tested in the lab and found to contain nothing but LSD.

yeah in europe lsd is common.. in boom festival they had loads of lsd tested by erowid crew which had a stand there with TLC and all the lsd was in fact lsd, no adulterants or DOx being sold as lsd

the fact that the DEA says they havent been apprehending lsd maybe only shows they have bad connections and are getting people so 'down the line' of distribution that indeed there are lots of fakes..

or maybe there is a huge difference between USA and other markets, but LSD is so easy to smuggle (and there is lsd being produced there also) that im sure there are loads of people with propper connection there.


as for acid cooks believing in their mission, listen to Nick Sand amd read up on his story, and tell me if you still think they dont exist, ron..
heres one talk from him as a starter
http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=146

The following is a list of some of the things that the DEA finds on blotter paper being sold as LSD. Proof of all of these can be found on the DEA web site:

DOB (very common)
2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine (DMA)
DOI
DOC
2C-C
2C-I
A mix of MDMA and methamphetamine (I was very surprised to see this one)
A 2:1 mix of DOC and DOB
Bromo-DragonFLY
5-MeO-AMT

What’s interesting is that things like 5-MeO-AMT (an actual tryptamine) are active in milligram doses, and yet appear on blotter. This puts to rest the rumor that only things as potent as LSD can be active on blotter paper. Blotter paper can actually hold a few milligrams worth of alkaloids, enough for things like 5-MeO-AMT to be active.

In the USA, in 2000, the DEA took down the largest LSD producers in the world and since then these RCs are all over the place in the USA. They outnumber real LSD which is now uncommonly found on blotter paper. This is a fact that is supported by the DEA’s analysis of current blotter paper found in the USA. SWIM's friends say this is correct. Even several long time Dead Heads SWIM knows are finding it tough to get the real thing.

I'm not making this up. You can stick your head in the sand and deny it if you like. These are the facts.

I don't want this to break down into a he said / she said argument, but I have to say that there is still real LSD in the US. It may not be available in all social circles, and it may be outnumbered by sheets of DO*/etc, but there's absolutely still people selling LSD on blotter paper in the US. I've only taken acid three times within the past five years, but I am quite certain that each time it was LSD (and I've taken enough RCs to not be bamboozled by something that's merely "acid like". My main complaint with each of these experiences is that the dose was lower than what I was used to in the late 90s. The last time I ate L, I took 2 geltabs and got what I would class as a 150-200ug experience out of it. When I was eating geltabs in the late 90s, 2 of them was the sort of dose that you did in the safety and comfort of a friendly environment, had a sitter, the whole nine yards. I remember one time in about 1998 that I foolishly took 2 geltabs in an unstable situation, and acid punished me thouroughly for my trespass against common sense. My recent experience, also with 2 gelbtabs, was conducted in a safe and friendly environment, but frankly even at the height of it I probably would have been capable of driving a car or doing any number of things that you can't do when you're really faced.

The prevelance of RC-laid blotter has more or less scared me away from pursuing acid anymore, though. I'd rather not trip at all than risk a trip which ends in an ER or in an amphetamine psychosis (which seems to happen with higher doses of the 2c series, from what I can discern).

I really dislike what capitalism has done to the LSD market, because it's such a unique and novel experience and part of me still feels that everyone of strong constitution who is willing should be able to join The Eternal in that special way at least once. However, when friends ask me about it now, I have to tell them to more or less avoid it, because there are so many unknowns, and eating a few hits of something like 5-meO-AMT sounds like it has a terrible tendency to give some people long lasting problems. It's not worth risking months or years of misery for one mind-blowing experience, even if that experience may contain the sum total of all human reality.

Are you talking about pickard? largest lsd producer in the world? yeah right, according to who? the D E A? the news at the time? talk about trustable information right there, ron.. Im sure you saw that the numbers estimated in the apprehension were incredibly exagerated.. I remember one particular example where they measured some 'solution containing lsd' as if it was pure lsd, just measuring the weight of the liquid.

Not to mention that because pickard had ratted out before, loads of cooks went 'underground' for a while for safety, which lead to the temporary extra decrease in availability during the bust

Theres plenty of LSD around, maybe you just dont find it.. The drug market is dynamic, it doesnt stay always in the same place.. its not just because you lived in san francisco in the old days that this means now if you dont have a source, lsd must be nearly inexistant or mostly fake.

I gave you a perfect practical experiment, not rumours, not D E A busts website, about how using chromatography, the erowid crew tested for many lsd samples from random people in the festival, and none tested as supposedly lsd had anything else appart from lsd. Which means, at least in european festival circles, the real deal is flowing swiftly, even for the masses.


and just so you dont misunderstand me again, im not advising anybody to trust some random dealer if they say its 'lsd', and neither that people should take high doses of this.. people should take all precaution and be wise, as always.. I was just pointing out that your reasoning was incorrect, which is no offense to you. Its not a problem to realize we're wrong sometimes, because we all are.

LSD is alive and well in europe.

Europe is not the USA. I never said anything about Europe. The DEA is an American organization. They only test samples found in the USA. They are the most reliable source for this kind of information because they have no vested interest in selling or turning people on to psychedelics.

The DEA gets LSD samples all the time. They've tested more LSD samples than any other organization within the USA. Their information is unbiased. They'd RATHER bust people for real LSD because they can get stiffer sentences. Going after people and finding they are selling legal RCs is a big disappointment for the DEA.

Even with LSD being very rare in the USA, people still like psychedelics and so the RCs are filling the gap in the USA. Most people still think their "LSD" is the real deal. In reality, most is not real LSD. SWIM's brother buys acid all the time. He knows its not real LSD, but can't get the real stuff anymore so he gets the RCs on blotter. He says, "As long as it works and I didn't get ripped off with blank blotter, then I don't care."

Some of the RCs in the USA are actually preferred over real LSD, and are being sold because some people like them more and think the RCs are real LSD and when given real LSD they think it's an RC! SWIM has run into people who think if the acid doesn't last over 12 hours, its "weak shit" so they don't buy it again. Little do they know that real LSD lasts 8-12 hours and that they are buying one of the DOXs on blotter. But, they think it's "REAL LSD" so, they are happy with it, and they are pissed off when they get real LSD.

A lot of drug users who regularly buy illegal drugs don't really care too much about purity or what they are really getting. All they care about is that it works, gets them high, whatever. I've seen people use pot that was laced with tropane alkaloids, and they think its pure pot that just happens to be extra potent. If they really cared about purity, they wouldn't be buying from the black market in the first place.

I'm curious why this would be the case, since the federal penalties for LSD are not really any different than the federal penalties for 5-meO-AMT, DOB, etc.

i get good lsd in the us =P

me to

A lot of blotter reported on the microgram is DOB and DOC occasionally DOI. I have also seen 5-MeO-AMT papers and gels on the microgram. There is still occasionally LSD on the blotter reported in the microgram although this is not an unbiased analysis as not all drug busts are reported in the microgram only a very select few are.

Also the microgram lab gets a lot of things that others labs are unable to test. For example police stations may not send in the LSD blotters because they are familiar with LSD and are thus there labs are able to detect it. Things that they are not sure of like research chemicals they may send into the DEA for more testing (This does occur). This fact would confound any simple interpretation of drug availability based on what appears in the microgram. Also many things are not printed in the microgram that are still tested. It is just a selected few items each month that make it in.

Additionally several people have told me that while there is DOX blotters going around there is still a lot of LSD. These are older people with experience of LSD from the 90s 80s who know.

Actually there were xanax blotter papers with the print of a xanax bar and they actauly contained Alprazolam which is active at 500 micrograms.

Here are the links to a bunch of different hallucinogens on blotter. LSD is still prominent although other combinations and active compounds are starting to be seen with great frequency as well.

Here is a microgram report from 2003 of LSD microdots :

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0403/mg0403.html


Sandoz Psilocybin tablets:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0903/mg0903.html

LSD and other hallucinogens:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0104/mg0104.html

LSD as part of a polydrug bust:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0706/mg0706.html


http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0308/mg0308.html

Here is a bust of San pedro and an LSD laboratory:


http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0404/mg0404.html


5-MeO-AMT blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0605/mg0605.html


DOB Blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg1005/mg1005.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg1206/mg1206.html

2C-C Blotter: (Wow that I did not expect)

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg1105/mg1105.html

DMA Blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0206/mg0206.html

DOI Blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0506/mg0506.html

Liquid DOI:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0907/mg0907.html

DOC Blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0606/mg0606.html

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg1207/mg1207.html

DOB and a DOC/DOI combo :

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg1106/mg1106.html

LSD Blotter and 2C-I blotter: Also DOB Blotter :

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0207/mg0207.html


Liquid LSD and Liquid DOC in separate busts:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0407/mg0407.html


Liquid Bromodragonfly:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0807/mg0807.html

DOI/DOC combo on Blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0608/mg0608.html

DOB/DOC combo on blotter:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea...ogram/mg0409/mg0409.html


I will add more as I find them...

One thing to keep in mind about Microgram is that it's a bulliten intended for law enforcement to show novel seizures, and not typical seizures. If they seize a bunch of LSD on blotter, it probably won't make it in to Microgram unless it's an unusual quantity. RCs, since they are in general less typical than LSD, are disproportionatly represented in microgram. Because there is a ton of acid out there, I'm sure a ton of it gets seized, but most of these will never make it into the bulliten because it's a standard item. If you try to view Microgram as a wide view of everything that is seized, it will lead you to believe that there is a lot more RC on blotter than everything else, but this is incorrect. Likewise, it will lead you to believe that MDMA containing pills are very rare, when in fact Pillreports will tell you otherwise.

LSD and fake lsd (meaning some RC) are around in the US. SWIM is almost certain he had some fake RC blotter about a year ago. It just wasn't what acid should feel like and it lasted too long and caused joint soreness. Good acid is such a pure blissful substance that SWIM doesn't see how anyone who has had it could not tell the difference. The DEA would have a hard time estimating how much is real and how much is fake simply because they randomly acquire samples. Also as has been said they often post unusual reports on those websites. But there are ways to found out trends about drug busts but then you gotta do some more research.


I'd have to say rumors and myths abound when it comes to lsd. Back in highschool everyone knew someone who knew someone who thinks he is a glass of orange juice from eating too much acid and sits around in the mental institution thinking he is a glass of orange juice. Its obviously a complete urban legend but most people in my high school believed it. I always thought it was BS because as ron said if you here the same rumor with slightly different twists and everyone seems to know someone who knows someone means its an urban legend. Has anyone heard that story? If so it proves my point.

^ that's one of the 'classic' LSD myths, such as the "thinking you're an orange and peeling your skin" and "LSD melts your spine because it's ACID" ...

^^Haha what always made me laugh the most is how people who believed these myths still used the drugs! They would be like "yea so acid rots your brain and makes you think your an orange, but can I buy a few tabs?". I would always laugh at those people. I can think of some rediculous urban legends. The best was when this kid claimed that the best weed in the world grew in the sewers of manhatten from people throwing away seeds and was called "manhatten white". HAHAHAH. Or even worse this same character claimed that "red rock opium" was his favorite drug. Now we all know red rock opium was made from incense. Man I used to get a kick out of these claims.

HA! I heard "I'm an orange, please dont peel me! Please!"

Never bought that. It just sounded too rediculous.

I've tried acid twice. After reading this thread I'm now strting to think I have only tried it once. The first time I tried "acid" I was tripping for a good 16 hours HARD and then felt like shit for 2 days. This was one small blotter and I kept having to go find some place quiet to sit down until rapid images stopped strobing in my face. This was at a festival in SW UK about 4 years ago.

Second time I tripped was at boom 2006 and I was feeling amazing, everything seemed CGI-like, I was full of energy and the trip seemed to calm down at around the 8 hour mark, then I had some MDMA and still woke up feeling fresher the next day than I did with my first experience of just "LSD" alone. I should also mention with the second time I drank lots of beer, smoked lots of hash and danced hard for a good long while. Whereas with my first experience I smoked one joint to myself and lay down for most of the 16 hours feeling shit. This couldn't have been LSD.