Well, I'm just going to talk a bit about my experience with Spice as a way of saying hello and introducing myself to this community.

This all started back in 2003, when I stumbled upon the Terrence McKenna library online. I voraciously consumed his lectures, if only for his mesmerizing vocabulary and oratory skills. I had mostly resigned myself to never possibly finding the Spice. That was until 2005. I picked up 56 grams of MHRB and some laboratory gear, including a sep funnel. The yields were so disappointing that I pretty much gave up. I had a mild level 1-2 effect. Six months later, I tried again with a bit more. This time I was determined to break through. I came upon about 250 grams of MHRB and put the entirety of my extraction into my vape pipe and fired it up. I reached only about level 2-3. Conclusion--don't bother weighing, the limiting factor will be lung capacity and hanging on long enough, let's suppose, to take a second toke. This might be a good question to pose to the forum--how long do you hold it in for?

Now, three and a half years later, a friend of mine tells me he knows someone who can get Spice. I emphasized how much it would mean to me if he could make this happen, and included a elucidation on the potential of the Spice, as far as the "breakthrough" experience at level 4-5. Well, things fell apart for reasons I won't go into b/c they violate the terms of this forum. Long story short, I decided to give extraction another try myself rather than deal with the B.S.

I followed Marsofold's A/B technique and am pretty happy with the yield, though I would like to do a straight-to-base and aim for that tantalizing 1% reported yield. One thing I've noticed that I'm doing right is that I never get any yellow/orange color, my regular process yields pearl-white crystals. Perhaps I can share some of my techniques at a later time.

Anyhow, I look forward to becoming involved in the community.

Most people say hold it in for 10 seconds, and it seems to do the job. But hey the longer the better i suppose..

"I came upon about 250 grams of MHRB and put the entirety of my extraction into my vape pipe and fired it up." This has to be a typo man! How much did you yeild that time?

Dont bother weighing it? Honestly without experience in the area of mg it can be difficult to eye ball. Weighing it allows you to get a better understanding of the effects of various doses on yourself, and you can keep track of how much spice you have/go through.

STB extractions are VERY easy, much easier than A/B, but you probably wont get that pure white stuff that you say your getting, unless you do a recrystallization. IMO a little yellow doesnt hurt.

Hold it in for as long as possible on each and every hit.

250g would yeild swim over 4g of nice spicyness, but it depends on the MHRB. As for weighing it, its not a piece of equipment that swim owns - just load the pipe and see how much you can smoke before needing to put the pipe down.

Swim prefers the ease of STB and really doesn't mind a bit of yellow, in fact he actively wants the yellow as he likes it better.

20 seconds is better...at 15 you can still breath out some vapor...20 seconds its usually completely clear..and if you can get enough in one hit...and hold it for 20 seconds..you can easily breakthrough

Good choice... it's self-evident!

Any smoke that's exhaled is basically a waste of precious DMT but sometimes a little cough is just unavoidable I try to hold my breath at least 30 seconds but don't count. A 'suffocation death reflex' can sometimes help me going deeper on a low dose.

Suffocation death reflex is exactly how it feels, and man is it intense with a high dose The reintake of fresh air makes the beginning all the better though.

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback, guys. Great forum.

The 250 grams yielded around 1.5 grams, maybe less. I was doing unnecessary recrystalization at that time and I recall watching my spoils shrink away!

This time around, I've managed 2.5 grams from 500 grams MHRB, which I understand to be optimal?

I've read that people are reaching 1% yields with STB, but I'm skeptical, especially if that includes a fair amount of impurity.

The trouble I have with gauging the amount smoked is that I inevitably find residue and/or crystals climbing the walls of the glass pipe (after cooling), which confounds a good measure of what was consumed. By overshooting the load on the pipe, I can at least ensure I'm getting as much as I can hold. That's the idea, at least. I may need to rethink the viability of my pipe, however. It could be that it is too small. The bulb is 3/4" in diameter, the stem 8".

Yes, impuritys do have an impact on final weight. 2.5g of white spice is ok I guess but far from beeing spectacular.

As for smoking:



Anyone had convulsions while trying to hold it in while watching the veil unfold? It's not very comfortable...

But definatly hold it in. The last time SWIM smoked, he realized, that he wasn't holding it in for long enough the last times, because he was so fixed upon taking the "3 big hits". Well, it doesn't help you exhaling precious spice so I'd say 15 seconds is a good number.

You've got something like a minute before launch so...3 hits a 20 seconds (vaporizing time included) is within the limit....but don't forget that you are a human beeing with the need for oxygen. Try to hold your breath for 1 minute and tell me how hard it was.

hmm id expect anywhere from 4-7+ grams from that much bark....
i suspect your technique is the issue...
it could be loads of things..
is the bark powdered (it sure helps if it is)?
how long did you soak (iv found longer is better) the bark in the acidic solution (i use 5% vinegar straight)?
did you heat the acidic bark soak (IMO anything over 90F is excessive and possibly detrimental)?
how did you basify?
did the solution turn jet black like soy sauce?
what non-polar solvent are you using?
did you warm the stew and solvent?
how long did you mix the stew/solevent?
how did you fetch the dmt from the solvent?
if you freeze perciped did you evap half the solvent first?

theres other things that may be affecting your yeild.. its likely something simple

oblighul - I find that I cannot operate the lighter or feel my hands 20-seconds in, I'm lucky to manage a second toke and fear dropping/breaking the pipe!

psychosisdoses -

Powdered Bark
Overnight, room temperature
Followed Marsofold, almost 1 gallon dH20, plus 1 pint 5% white vinegar.
The final acid volume was around 1.5 liters, I added 700ml "PH UP," I believe to be KOH, basifying to over 12 (measured with papers).
Jet black, and that was upon adding only half my basifying agent, but I threw the rest in to finish off the PH UP bottle.
Naptha, 500ml, split into two batches with 50% of the stew, due to container size limitation.
I set it out in the sun for a few hours. It was around 90F.
3 minutes of vigorous shaking per batch of stew.
*I'll add here that I only did ONE extraction.
I removed the nonpolar layer via turkey baster, along with a great deal of stew. All of this was set into a separation funnel and slowly drained off. Final volume of unresolvable emulsion was 25ml.
I evaporated around 80%. 500ml of Naptha reduced to 100ml, then placed in freezer for 1 day. Crystals filtered and dried. Remaining Naptha used to wash drying plate and reduced to 75ml (cloudy), placed back into freezer for second round of precipitating. That is, first precipitate weighed 1.5 grams, second 1 gram.

You might want to get a friend to assist you. Otherwise, take one enormous hit and hold it in as long as possible. Oh, and sometimes you might think that it's impossible to take another hit...but that might not be true if you concentrate enough. But better not risk damaging anything.

Hi, and welcome to the nexus!

Considering the yields... SWIM has worked constantly with one supplier, cause SWIM is am happy with the price, and the yields it gives SWIM.

From 50g of bark, SWIM gets 0.3g of spiceness, from 100g 0.6g, and so on. So 500g will give me 3g, This is done with STB and no recrystallization.

So not too much to worry about =P

you may be pleased with those yields personally id EXPECT double

those yields are pretty low...there are a few suppliers out there that can consistently give 2% yields..that means 1g from 50g..some of these suppliers are extremely cheap as well

do 3 or so vinegar soaks in the same manner the later ones longer soak time basing each as you go and pulling each sepretly

keep pulling with naphtha and freeze perciping till no more spice comes out..

you should collect the naphtha prior to freezing and put in a small sepp funnel add 50ml of water with a pinch of sodium carbonate dissolved in it shake vigorously and drain the water layer do this twice more with straight water

next take a container and line the bottom with epsom salt pour your naphtha in there let it sit a min or two then pour off the naphtha into the pan youll use to freeze it

do this with all your naphtha pulls then set outside with a handkerchief over the pan let evap half way then cover with saran wrap and freeze on coldest setting for 72 hours

remove and lift corner of saran wrap and pour off naphtha into a container (you can reuse this) being careful not to let the crystals come out move it around to keep em in there... recover and let warm to room temp then remove saran wrap and let residual naphtha evap... scrape up your huge haul of crystallys!

with a bit of tweaking in the areas i mentioned and some others perhaps that i cant recall at the moment you will easily double your yeild

I know that problem... your flame is probably too small and/or the heat too much concentrated at one point. A small flame won't do the job properly. A large candle flame is ok, say 3-4 cm.
Some condensation on the walls is almost inevitable...

Psychosisdoses recommended the nonpolar wash, Sodium Hydroxide, which I have. But I didn't want to recrystalize if I could help it. Marsofold swears by the "janitorial strength" Ammonia wash, but I was thinking, is the purpose to create a reaction between the NH3 (Ammonia) and the Lye? If one is using KOH as a basing agent, would that rule out the Ammonia wash?

No, ammonia wouldn't react with lye since they're both bases.

Skip the ammonia wash. You will lose spice. Better do a recrystallisation an/or a sodium carbonate wash.

Unless you like throwing spice down the drain, I'd skip the ammonia wash as well.

If you want to wash something, wash the NAPHTHA that the spice is in. Sodium Carbonate, or in a pinch even baking soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) will work. Mix sodium c. with water, add to naphtha shake, discard water. Cleaner spice.

Recrystalization is a very good skill to learn as well. Probably more important that washing your solvent.

I was about to move this thread, as it started as an experience not an extraction question, but since it has turned into extraction questions it'll say put.