Hello,

me and my trip companion have been blasting off on spice more or less regularly over the past two years. Starting with acquired crystals and several sandwich-methods, we upgraded to self extraction and vaping in a GVG.

However the effects have been quite different in nature. We both are not sure how and why it is so, but maybe some friendly folks here at the nexus can help enlightening in that manner.

The GVG it set up with a liquid pad placed upon several screens. Sometimes vaping the spice really works like a charm. The desired effects are kicking in while one is still trying to keep the vapor in the lungs resulting in the exhaling of already rhomb shaped vapor and entering that dmt mind state in the very moment of the exhale. This usually happens as the GVG produces this thick rich vapor, which lets one know, that the effect is going to be intense.

On the other hand the GVG used with the same setup as mentioned before produces only a thinner form of vapor. This results in exhaling almost no vapor at all and rewards one only with these (we named them) side effects. In that case you only get a slight change of visual perception accompanied by some kind of body high (similar to the effects of weed) and some strange tiredness. All very far from the effects we usually aspire...

In both cases the effects wear off after the usual 10-20 minutes. But we didn't manage to find out why this variation in vapor thickness as well as effect of the spice occurs. We would love to have the technique figured out to work in a reliable manner each time.

Any suggestions on some whys and wherefores are highly appreciated.

Thin vapor sounds like you are not vaping the whole dose. Or at least not vaping it quickly enough to get a large cloud built up inside.
Try toying with how hard you hit the GVG, how fast you hit it, & flame distance when you get a light vapor.

Another thing that may come into play, what type of scale are you using & how often do you calibrate?
It is more likely your technique could use some improvement, but I have had scales malfunction on me before & weigh doses off by +\- 10mg. Big difference with DMT.

I totally agree with concombres!

I have had the exact same experience with a regular vapor genie as well as with dab rigs. In general it seems that too small of a dose wont put your mind very far at all but has an intense effect upon the body. I don't know if the body as intense when tripping as I can't usually feel much of my body. I have always described this body high as more of an exhaustion than anything else.

For me the biggest problem was usually how far away the flame was. I would try and take my hit as long as I could but very slowly. I have since found that i need to pull quite a bit harder but still try and maintain a long steady pull. I now almost only pay attention to how my throat is feeling as that seems to be a good sign of how much spice I have vaporized.

Best of luck in your future travels!

Thanks so much for your answers. The funny thing is, I once more tried to vape some spice yesterday (20mg measured with my .001 scale) resulting in very strong effects. I could even hear voices laughing about me thinking about side effects and that it wouldn't kick in properly. So the DMT got me cornered once again

Nonetheless the stated problem occurs from time to time. As usual, further experiments are required.



Thank you concombres! I recently bought a decent scale for the purpose of exact measurements. Before it was always more like visual judgement and I feel that the scale is already a massive improvement. Even though I already loaded like .025 into the GVG resulting in this thin vapor and the mentioned "side effects". I will definitely play a little with more with the flame distance in hope of figuring it out for good.



Thank you Leithen! These body effects are exactly what I was talking about. Good to know, that I am not the only person who experiences it. Well.. Not really good, I don't wish these effects on nobody. I completely also would describe it more like an exhaustion leaving one really tired and yawning for like half an hour and not wanting to try another hit. But as soon as visuals are involved in the effects, I don't really get to this point where I feel so exhausted...

I even had some pre-breakthrough / threshold experiences, where the spice only changed my visual perception (mosaic like or cascade like visuals layed over everything, but me being still in my room or where ever I blasted off), without any of the mentioned side effects. These were really great by the way. Especially if done in the nature looking at a forest or at the sky or something similar

You should as well consider two other things I guess:

1. With DMT the same dose properly administered everytime still can lead to varying effects. Tolerance is an issue, at least for me. If I smoalk breakthrough doses too often (more than once a week) the visual aspect of the trip almost disappears. Feels like being shut out of hyperspace. Don't push it then! Hyperslap may occur!
2. Also some impurities in your spice (yellow, brown, waxy goo) can be VERY potent in either producing intense journeys and / or unpleasent physical side effects.

Sometimes these impurities can stick to the glass of the pipe and vape during a hit that is taken on a later occasion.

I cleaned my GVG with naphta once, and after evaporation I've gotten a tiny little brown glob out of it. Didn't expect any effects at all but this little really blew me away...

I've had the same experience with the "machine". Usually when this happens, I'm either inhaling too fast, or I have the flame too far away and a lot of the heat is escaping to the atmosphere instead of being pulled through the mesh. It doesn't really apply to the GVG, but the machine vapes a lot better if its held more vertical than horizontal. The thermal updraft from the flame almost forces the heated air through the mesh and into your lungs.