So...
I just got out of prison after a 14 month stay for manufacturing of DMT. Doesn't that sound fun?

So let me be a cautionary tale:
Be very careful about what you leave out in your house while you're cooking. You never know when someone might start running their mouth and bring the Bastards to your door.

Wow, glad you made it out alive. Noone deserves being locked up for extracting dmt

Welcome home friend!

Damn, 14 months? Did you get good time or any time take it off your sentence? What jurisdiction are you in?

With good time, that would've been a two-year sentence right? Ugh.

Can you get us any details about how you ended up there?

That's five, I'm sure I can come up with 15 more questions for you if you'd like. Anyway, glad you're OK. I'm sure you're glad you're free. I had a scare recently with someone I was doing an extraction with. I think it made him feel somewhat superior to be able to run around and brag about it so I started sending him pictures of the Internet of guys in hazmat suits with crime scene tape all around gingerly approaching a couple mason jars outside of someone's home. Be careful kids.

OP back in 2014: Adios, World.

Welcome back!
If you want to describe your jail experience I would be glad to read you.


And thanks for the cautionary tale, I'm one of those who never pays attention to such things...

as a community were big on teaching alchemy and the grow arts.
were even pretty good on social support.

we are totally lacking in serious security discussions.
it seems any attempt at security makes one a scarfaced profiteer.
( shunt)
i never understood that aspect.
what part of the drug "war" are were missing?
disowning what we are legally . under the pretense of " personal"
results in the OP's situation.

i can forgive the under 30 crowd somewhat for this,
but all the "hard core" psychonauts over 30,
have seen the casualties and captures personally.
we owe the kids better than " pull the shades and lock the door"

production, even if for ones lonesome self,
is only 49% the story.
security is the other 51%.............

if your spending x cost on production
you should spend 2 x on security and zone safety,
and 3x on fire suppression equipment.
if ya cant afford it, ya cant afford the legalities or damages.

be informed, and pay up front, or pay way way more later.

That statement makes no sense unless you are involved in distribution.

If you're growing/extracting for yourself and not distributing, barring an accident/emergency (like a fire or similar event that brings agents of the state to your door) you shouldn't have to spend a cent on security. As long as you keep your mouth shut about what you're doing, there shouldn't be an issue.

And at the point where agents of the state are looking through your property, there's not much "security" can do for you anyways.

EDIT: I see you've edited your post and have added a clause about fires/emergencies, so I've included the edited quote rather than the initial one. That said, investing in oversized fire suppression equipment simply isn't logical or feasible for the average user or small scale extractor. And the security point is still off-base, imo.

one thimble,
one bucket,
same thing when the door gets splintered in.
pretty sure OP is dixie cups and not carboys.

as said, security counts.
OP mite have 14 more months of life,
had the community been strong on security.

the serious, get serious and practice serious security.
they rarely get taken down.
the brunt is on the less sophisticated.
its not right.


microscale can cause fires also.

since minit one on the forums,
ive always been zero apologies for security and safety.

At the risk of upsetting the more sensitive among us, I will be that guy and say the following:

Glad you made it out, OP, although I'm going to stop short of saying welcome back, because I honestly don't think you're in any way good for this place. So before everyone hops on the "oh, the persecution of The Man and his tyranny" train, I have to point out that during the time you were here before, you made a distinct impression (to me, at least) of being a dangerously reckless nitwit who was begging for this to happen.

You urged others to "safely" evaporate solvents in their ovens at low temperatures. You shared your fondness for PH testing basic solutions by dabbing your tongue with your finger. And when your home was raided, you both completely ignored the universal urge to shut up and seek legal counsel, AND incriminated yourself over and over again by sharing all kinds of inappropriate information despite repeated requests that you stop.

Yes, the war on drugs is awful. But my take away from your situation is that if one conducts themselves in a manner which BEGS for a negative outcome, sooner or later it will probably come knocking.

Common sense. Discretion. Respect for forces beyond your control (like flammability, and poison, and the inflexibility of the law). Put em together and good things happen.

That's it. Rant completed.

Anne,

From the posts made back in 2014, it's pretty clear that this has nothing to do with security spending. Had people been discreet and labware stored out of sight, there likely wouldn't have been an issue.

What, exactly, are you suggesting OP should have spent more money on and how would it have helped in this situation?

It's one thing to offer advice, but it should be relevant to the discussion at hand, no?

as art suggested,
his ENTIRE security thing was a farce.

had OP been better informed,
maybe he would have been different , maybe not.

im simply suggesting if we arm people with alchemy,
we should arm them equally with safety/ security knowledge.

easy to blame the OP and cops.
not so easy for us to evaluate if were fully informing beyond production.

and it is production.
one trace, or one ton, law doesnt care.
were kidding ourselves saying one dose is holy, 10 is el chapo...........

id suggest security concerns are on topic in every thread.

Art's post had nothing to do with security spending...you are sidestepping the issue (as usual).

I'm simply stating that your claim that

is not relevant in this case, nor many of the other DMT busts we've seen.

That's all.

perhaps the safe and secure ones dont make the news for that very reason.

fact is its home chemistry and bio work.
i fail to see why the common standards of chem handling,
and perimeter security are bad things.

if the modest cost of safety and security is a hardship,
im not sure clan production is the best choice for those individuals.

even art offered that he wasnt up to community standards.
im merely endorsing the community should have strong educational standards for safety / security.
its a ying yang thing, and it reflects wether we like it or not.

not sure what your point is snozz.
im gonna assume in good faith, that your not anti safety.

I empty all my chems into iso and peroxide bottles and keep it mixed in with bug spray, paint and sux. Reasonable doubt will save yer life.

Please don't do this, or if you do, make sure the containers in question are compatible. It's more than likely the chems you are storing are not compatible with the bottles you have put them in (even if those bottles are HDPE) and may leach plasticizers from the bottles they are stored in or even eat through the bottles (especially if they are stored for extended periods of time). Hardware chems should be stored with other hardware equipment, lye is drain cleaner, etc.

Reading the events leading up to the prison sentence, it sounds like there was some serious self-destructive behavior involved. It's not about perimeter security, it's about common sense. There is a whole lot to learn here.

I wonder, how did the issue start? What did the mentioned "exes" know about the OP's drug operation, and why did they know it? Why wasn't the glassware cleaned after use? Why did OP allow the police into their apartment if there was no warrant? (OP mentioned they didn't have one when talking about the computer having been seized. It's not a "raid" at all if there is no warrant. I live in a country with much less checks on police power than the US, but even here, the police CANNOT enter a home without either a warrant, or being invited in.)

Swim doesn't keep these chems for extended periods of time. I've read the post on HDPe bottles and I know the things. People use milk jugs for extractions. I only keep enough for 2-3 days it takes for my pulls and such. The Drain cleaner stays in the bottle. "I use that for cleaning out my toilet." The Anhydrous Acetone would be Questionable. The Fuzz definitely would know what that is especially with the Epson salt in.

On the subject of warrents. I once had 8 cops kick in my door and put a gun in my face cuz he said he smelled marijuana. They don't give a damn any more.

If you know "the things" then you should be aware that the solvents in question aren't necessarily safe with HDPE and the fact that "other people do it" doesn't make it safe either.

It's your body and your choice. I'm simply commenting here so that other people don't see your post and assume using HDPE is safe.

"Plain View Doctrine" -- If they see (or smell) illegal activities then they are permitted to enter under US law.