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Tryptallmine
#2401 Posted : 1/6/2016 4:24:09 AM

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AstralProjectee wrote:
Hey guys, so SWIM did a DMT extraction with this tek here at https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...d_ATB_'Salt'_Tek but wanted to do a sodium carbonate wash so he just got some. Now he already had some yellow crystals that formed on his glass that is in the freezer. He added some Naphtha and then put it into a glass cup. But the crystals didn't dissolve back into the Naphtha. He went ahead and added the sodium carbonate but he is unsure how effective this will be since saw the yellow crystals didn't dissolve. Thoughts on where to take this from here? Thanks!


You'll need to warm the solvent up in a heat bath to get freebase to dissolve easily.
Hot solvent will hold quite a lot of solute, freezing solvent precipitates it back out as it is quite insoluble at that temperature - hence why we freeze precipitate.

 

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#2402 Posted : 1/6/2016 5:20:43 AM
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Tryptallmine wrote:
You'll need to warm the solvent up in a heat bath to get freebase to dissolve easily.
Hot solvent will hold quite a lot of solute, freezing solvent precipitates it back out as it is quite insoluble at that temperature - hence why we freeze precipitate.


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#2403 Posted : 1/6/2016 3:46:53 PM

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hello nexus! honor to be here.

i attached a picture of pull 1+2 from my third extraction. i am using Cyb's 'Max Ion' tek found on these forums. thank you so much for the knowledge!

along with the crystals i get a thin layer of oil right below the crystals. i understand this is very active, i enjoy smoking it, and am infinitely grateful that my bark yields both goo and crystals.

BUT it makes it a pain to collect & separate my product.

when scraping with a razor blade, all the crystals come off, but the layer of oil does as well. this leaves a good amount of beautiful fluffy white crystal "trapped" in the goo forever.

so my question: is there a method for only scraping the crystals off? if it's impossible, how do you separate your goo from crystals? or is it just not worth it?

thanks & much love


I take a razor and hold the glass at a 90 degree angle. Then I try to just skim the surface of the goo so that I knock a good majority of the crystals off. I like to collect some pure fluff from each extraction. Then I will scrape up the remaining goo and crystals together. I like them both, its just looks nice to have pure fluff.
 
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#2404 Posted : 1/7/2016 3:56:37 AM

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looking at the ACRB TEK 100g, at the end of step 2 of the clean up, when you are getting the DMT out of the naphtha and into the acid would it be worth while to lower the temperature to decrease naphtha ability to hold the DMT? just a thought and was also thinking it would be a good point to break up the tek into smaller segments.
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#2405 Posted : 1/7/2016 7:47:28 AM

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looking at the ACRB TEK 100g, at the end of step 2 of the clean up, when you are getting the DMT out of the naphtha and into the acid would it be worth while to lower the temperature to decrease naphtha ability to hold the DMT? just a thought and was also thinking it would be a good point to break up the tek into smaller segments.


It readily shifts over to the acid solution (pH 2-3) within ~10 minutes of gentle swirling so there is likely no merit in doing this.
 
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#2406 Posted : 1/8/2016 4:06:54 AM
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#2407 Posted : 1/8/2016 4:52:35 PM

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20:1:1 water/lye/mimo(pre powdered)
Lye water solution made. Added mimo, shake rattle and roll for a few hours , then used hotplate magnetic spinner to further mix for around 24hrs.
Added pre warmed Naphtha ( about .8ml per gr of mimo) , again spinner/hotplate for a day whilst also occasionally flipping jar , rolling etc....pulled Naphtha and put in freezer. After 2 days in freezer I have absolutely nothing. I tried three times (x3 50gr) ...any one have any thoughts as to what I did wrong?
I have never done any tek before this....plz help an aspiring psychonaut
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#2408 Posted : 1/8/2016 4:56:33 PM

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hmmm.. You certain that your freezer is cold enough? could be that your NPS isn't very saturated and then your freezer isn't getting cold enough to cause the crystals to crash out. Also are you certain what you have is Mimosa root bark powder? if you've followed the method you've described above I find it hard to believe that you'd have absolutely nothing unless it's a case of bunk bark.
 
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#2409 Posted : 1/8/2016 5:00:28 PM

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I asked that question to myself...I unfortunately have no way of knowing.
I have zero experience with spice or mimo...
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#2410 Posted : 1/8/2016 5:02:07 PM

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Freezer however stays around 0 degrees F, rock hard ice cream.
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#2411 Posted : 1/8/2016 5:15:18 PM

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Try evaporating some of the pulled naphta to dryness. If that does not yield any product, the quality of the bark may be in question. If it does, you can use the impure product as a seed for the naphtha in the freezer.
 
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#2412 Posted : 1/8/2016 5:23:45 PM

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Another suggestion- evaporate at least 50% of the naptha and re-freeze precip. It does the trick more often than not.
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#2413 Posted : 1/8/2016 5:28:41 PM

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For grins I took a jar out (been in freezer 16 or so hours) and blew warm breaths and white swirls develop. Does this mean anything? And I will certainly pull my jars out and try a partial evap.
I know full well the rules here so not being able to ask what I really want to ask, I ask this---is there some way to tell before trying tek to tell if what I have is not junk/bunk/stepped on?



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#2414 Posted : 1/8/2016 6:34:31 PM

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Bl@ster I often have the same problem. If saturated most of the Crtystals crash out but not like 10%. My freezer only gets to 20 degree. I save the solvent and use it for next time so I waste nothing.
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#2415 Posted : 1/9/2016 8:09:27 PM

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Bl@ster420 wrote:
For grins I took a jar out (been in freezer 16 or so hours) and blew warm breaths and white swirls develop. Does this mean anything? And I will certainly pull my jars out and try a partial evap.
I know full well the rules here so not being able to ask what I really want to ask, I ask this---is there some way to tell before trying tek to tell if what I have is not junk/bunk/stepped on?


This sounds like you blew moisture into your cold solvent and formed ice crystals.

Blowing on warm solvent and getting misty swirls would be a better sign.




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#2416 Posted : 1/9/2016 10:27:00 PM

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Well I'm convinced that I got bunk bark. I have tried 3 diff times , many pulls, and NOTHING. Straight evaporate from pull, partial evap then freeze, fridge then freezer...I mean there isn't THAT many variables is there? Got lye, got water, got heated stir plate. All of those things are obviously real. The only thing I can figure is that it is bunk.

So I am trying a different source and NOT get prepowdered. I have read some threads ( NEXUS is dauntingly vast ) that advise against prepowdered due to quality or purity. I can explain how disappointed I am with the failure. For years I have been trying and when I finally get what I need and feel confident enough to try, it's apparently not mimo. Crying or very sad
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Bl@ster420 wrote:
Well I'm convinced that I got bunk bark. I have tried 3 diff times , many pulls, and NOTHING. Straight evaporate from pull, partial evap then freeze, fridge then freezer...I mean there isn't THAT many variables is there? Got lye, got water, got heated stir plate. All of those things are obviously real. The only thing I can figure is that it is bunk.


That is probably true man, unfortunately. Next time, your best bet is to get shredded or whole pieces and powder it yourself.
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#2418 Posted : 1/10/2016 12:03:30 AM

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Bl@ster420 wrote:
Well I'm convinced that I got bunk bark. I have tried 3 diff times , many pulls, and NOTHING. Straight evaporate from pull, partial evap then freeze, fridge then freezer...I mean there isn't THAT many variables is there? Got lye, got water, got heated stir plate. All of those things are obviously real. The only thing I can figure is that it is bunk.

So I am trying a different source and NOT get prepowdered. I have read some threads ( NEXUS is dauntingly vast ) that advise against prepowdered due to quality or purity. I can explain how disappointed I am with the failure. For years I have been trying and when I finally get what I need and feel confident enough to try, it's apparently not mimo. Crying or very sad


With pre-powdered bark you need more water sometimes.

If you havn`t thrown out your base soup, try separating into two jars, diluting a little until the solvent separates easily, & adding more base until ph14. Do this for both jars.

This may solve your problem but if your layers were easily separating without heat baths your bark is probably bunk.

 
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#2419 Posted : 1/10/2016 1:08:33 AM

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I still have 2/3 of my 50gr failures. I thought the naphtha separated quickly when I was rolling and turning the jar. I had a thought that maybe I was letting the naphtha sit on top too long and the spice went back into the muck.
I'll definitely go ahead and add even more water. I have a ph meter for my herb grow but didn't want to stick that probe in the lye solution, so I just went with the 1:1 lye/suspected mimo hoping the ph would be right. Then after some consultation here I added more lye and water and tried again. Added like 5 more grams of lye and with naphtha the mason jar is nearly full.

I will certainly try and split a jar and try again. I'll try anything I can .....

I have more from a different place coming so hopefully that will be the answer.

Again, I really do appreciate everyone's help. Thank you guys/gals
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#2420 Posted : 1/10/2016 5:51:34 AM

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Bl@ster420 wrote:
I still have 2/3 of my 50gr failures. I thought the naphtha separated quickly when I was rolling and turning the jar. I had a thought that maybe I was letting the naphtha sit on top too long and the spice went back into the muck.
I'll definitely go ahead and add even more water. I have a ph meter for my herb grow but didn't want to stick that probe in the lye solution, so I just went with the 1:1 lye/suspected mimo hoping the ph would be right. Then after some consultation here I added more lye and water and tried again. Added like 5 more grams of lye and with naphtha the mason jar is nearly full.

I will certainly try and split a jar and try again. I'll try anything I can .....

I have more from a different place coming so hopefully that will be the answer.

Again, I really do appreciate everyone's help. Thank you guys/gals


Why don't you try and do an acid step? Unless i've missed something you've just gone straight to base?
 
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