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I've been into dabbing quite a lot lately, and can definitely confirm that cannabis extracts like hash or wax can certainly have psychedelic effects. There have been times where I've been literally tripping I was so high.

In Oregon we have commercially available med and rec Mj. Strains are tested and labeled so that one can pick what works Best for them. THC percentages, can be upwards of 20 to 29%.

When you get up into those ranges even just marijuana flower in my humble opinion can be extremely psychedelic. The psychedelic mechanism is a little bit different than with your typical tryptamine hi obviously. It's more of a waking lucid dream like state for me.

I have only had psychedelic experiences from "eatables", aka space cake. It was interesting, but I had this uncomfortable "overdosed" feeling, something I never had on LSD or shrooms - it was probably just my own anxiety about having too much.

It did have a "waking dream" feeling, extreme time dilation, "infinite" moments, out-of-body experiences (specifically, standing above a lake in a nondescript "fantasy forest-cave", and seeing what my physical eyes perceived as images on the lake), high body load and fatigue, and emotional fuckup (I fell in love with the girl sitting across the table whom I didn't even know just from looking at her, and was tortured by unrequieted love for a month).

As for your question on hash, I've had both hash and bud, and hash isn't all that different. Hash is basically a concentrate, but today's high potency bud is already quite as powerful as yesterday's hash. As for "essential oils", where you have about 90% THC or more, I think the main reason it's so much more potent isn't just how concentrated it is, but more the ease with which BHO and co. can be dabbed single-toke in large doses. Regular old hash doesn't burn or vape easily, actually somewhat harder than bud.

absolutely.

when i was in morroco ( several months)
we ate massive amounts of hash.

you absolutely trip from eating it
ive eaten up to 1/4 z of many types and colors.

then i was deported.
i miss that place.

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vacation?
lol. i was working.

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You are quite right! Hash was everywhere when I was younger and although from time to time there would come along a batch that was incredibly trippy and powerful most hash then was nowhere near as potent and insane as the kind of high powered skunk that is sold on the market today.

The afghan stuff too is actually quite standard sort of gear that a normal farmer grows.

Legalization is a good thing if it means that the ridiculous nuclear arms race to make weed as potent as it possibly can be will come to an end.

Legalization is a good thing anyway right but to be honest I no longer view cannabis as quite the utterly harmless entity I once did. It fucks many people up without them ever really knowing it.

Nah you aint alone dude and oral OD can scare the living s*it out of you!

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Cannabis itself in any active form is a pretty powerful psychedelic for many of us

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I mean members of the forum but of course many others outside the nexus experience it to. Psychedelic effects come in many kinds with cannabis and in high amounts many people encounter at least some of them, but many frequent smokers don't engage in that aspect of it deliberately and tolerance and individual differences are big factors.

And I agree that psychedelic use can definitely have a heavy impact on the weed experience but I do know many in real life who've smoked or eaten high doses and had psychedelic effects of some kind or other without having tried psychedelics first. If people take a high enough dose it is almost bound to happen at some point regardless of these other factors but mileage may vary a lot. It is overall vastly underrated in its potential

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There is tons of old literature predating the modern psychedelic era in the west describing the powerful psychedelic effects of hashish.

It's a full on psychedeic, IME. It can and does produce profound ego death for myself and states of synesthesia unlike anything else, and some pretty neat open eye visions.

My first ever hit of home-made ice hash sent me to the other side of the universe. So, yes. Psychedelic. Mmhmm.

Cannabis in general also can get quite ridiculous combined with nutmeg tincture and sleep deprivation.

You don’t do that nutmeg/sleep deprivation thing to get high do you dude?

Hash is not psychedelic in my opinion though it’s kind of subjective to any given individuals personal opinion of what a ‘psychedelic’ is and it certainly fits with the 'mind manifesting' dictionary definition. Myself though when I say psychedelic I reserve it for molecules such as LSD mescaline, DMT, mushrooms etc. These for me structurally and subjectively belong in a category of which Cannabis does not.

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Never really been a Terrance McKenna fan to be honest. I dislike the way in which he heavily advocated high doses (with cannabis) of psychedelics and yet by his brothers own account was utterly afraid to use them himself.

There’s no shame in fearing psychedelics of course but why did he never caveat his recommendations with warnings as to the potential psychological risks?

In all his talks he never really dealt with the dangers but I think this was because his image was that of the fearless psychonaugt a man who himself could be said to actually reside in hyperspace.

From what his brother said he felt like a performer tired of an act that he was compelled to continue with for egotistical and financial reasons.

That interview (quickly removed) with his brother actually seemed to tell of a rather tragic but disingenuous person trapped acting up to a false identity that basically paid his rent.

I think this is a much more human and genuine picture of Terrance and it’s sad to think that he never really found the courage to speak openly about his fears and psychedelics in general.

His life and personality seems much more interesting when viewed apart from the image he projected and his fans perpetuate to this day. Did he think people would turn away from him if they found out he wasn’t actually some fearless psychonaugt flying through the hyperspace realms every night of the week? Very few people are!

Disappointed with his brother Dennis too for sharing this information in a podcast and then immediately retracting it from his book which I bought specifically to read about damn it! Guess I’m still nursing a grudge on that one!

Maybe I’m being too hard on them both!

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Id be really interested to hear about what literature you are specifically talking.