Myabe it's an idea or maybe it's a shit...but something like in this draw can be usefull, you can change the little cottonball, place in the spiral cone coil, drop some liquid and vape it...after trow away the cotton ball, dryburn the coil alone and place another cotton ball...etc etc...like a stove top coil that it's a cone and host the cotton ball, an icecream :-)

So the general consensus seems to be a 1:1 ratio. Do the regular e-cigs that look like a cigarrete work?

No, they will not give you a large enough dose to be a viable option whatsoever. They do not have the air flow nor the power to achieve a proper hit.

Okay, so this really isnt a good method unless i spend some money on a good vape. I will settle for the machine.

Correct. I would even purchase the gvg first before venturing in the realm of using a vape mod. Fwiw, myvaporstore.com seems to have the best prices for box mods.

First post so hello everyone.
I have been studying this thread and thought i would post my initial results using this method.
Used a Sigelei 150w box mod with a troll RDA and the build was a duel coil vertical build at 0.4ohm with a small
amount of kanthal in each coil and 3 drops of a 1/1 mix on each coil and ran The mod at 30w, after 3 straight to
lung draws the results were impressive.

Lonewolf

Can you elaborate? I have been thinking about trying this and don't want to waste anything did you break through?

I have been thinking about some different coils I could use maybe something like a stove top coil but in a bowl shape?

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This thread was incredibly frustrating, especially for the first 14 pages. That whole time, I was yelling at the computer, even occasionally mad at anrchy, shouting, "you need a damned dripper! DOO EET!"

Also, because I won't have any spice to work with until at most a season cycle from now.

And just now, finally on page 18, what I felt I really could offer most in this thread (wickless coils) is brought up.

Well, at least we're on the same page for it.

I've been building my own coils since about 2011, before rebuildables were a thing, and you had to whack the base out of a traditional disposable atomizer and replace the wire that way (excruciatingly tedious!). I have a half dozen drippers just laying around, and I've configured some of them for dry matter/resin vaping. Stovetop coils work pretty well, if you can wrap them well (nice and tight) with some 22g-28g (22 is thicker, and holds form better, but takes more effort to shape...) There is also something you can get at some vape shops and a few online vendors called vape donuts. It's basically a coil in a ceramic torus with two leads. tighten and serve.

I also have used a dual coil build that I call the cat's paw. The easiest way to describe it without pics is to wrap a normal coil, nice and tight with each wrap touching, and to then flatten out the coil by skewing it between your thumb and forefinger or smooth, flat pliers. the resulting shape should resemble a cartoony cat's paw and be relatively flat. I don't see why some of the "less refined" and sort of waxy looking/ jungle spice mixtures wouldn't work with any of these methods. They've worked quite well and reliably for BHO and wax.

Alternatively, instead of making a solution of DMTfb, someone (or me, when I have material to work with, and a few traditional ROAs of it experienced...) could try starting with the fb and add liquid just until it becomes a partial solution, partial suspension, i.e. pasty. it could, in that manner, possibly be much easier to have an exact dose at a given time. Of course, I could see the advantages of having a full solution.

Just some thoughts, if anyone tries these, please report back.

Horizon_Bloom, is what i had in mind from time, wickless coils, and wax on it, i understand what you mean with cat's paw.
But i don't have wax now, and i'm still afraid for a full dose...
Also i think should work, you can also press a little the button to dissolve it on the coils (like in the machine) and then fire it up, maybe with more push with less second each, like triplets :-)

Please someone can try this ? and report back.

Edit: i immagine that a sort of clapton wire or a double wire twisted by hand, make normal coil and then flat it like cat's paw should work better, the more wire surface you have, more spice get fused on it before start it.

Horizon_Bloom...Something like tha photos below ?
it's a double cat's paw, it's about 0,700 ohm and in the glow photo is fired at 25 watt.
....maybe it's possible that the spice goo dissolve and drop down when vaped, but i think that in this case one can make a bigger coil, or double with 1 ohm or more.
:-)

...is not perfect made, i do it just now in hurry, i think is more easy to do than a stovetop and can hold more spice.

jesus, you're even using twisted wire like me! That's exactly how I make my cat's paw.

I built a stovetop style today. I can't post pics yet, I don't think, though.

I used a small amount of powered hash to try it out with, as this was a new type of twisted wire for me (look on youtube for "Wireless Coil Build" I'm using that wire) and I wanted to make sure it worked as well.

Stovetop is hard to make. If you have some smooth flat pliers to hold the wire flat as you wrap it, it gets easier. I had to play with it for a while until it heated evenly, and had the right slight cone shape.

I used ~100mg of balled up hash and placed a single drop on the hash to help it evaporate more evenly. It vapes well, but burns really easily. The temp way need to be lower.

The coil is .5 ohm and wattage set at 25.

A note - maybe a year and a half ago, this thread was the motivation for me to start lurking on the Nexus with any regularity.

With everything that's been put out so far, I think the bigger issue here is oxidization of the DMT, once it's been put into your carrier. How quickly do you ACTUALLY go through a gram? Unfortunately, not spice-rich enough to go confirming my hypotheses of assumed failure, soI do apologize, but thought it should be underlined, as it's not pointed out in this thread enough... once, a half-dozen pages back via anrchy.

Basically, once you put the spice into the solution I'd guess you'd have a one month (?) give or take countdown before it's only a fraction of as potent as it was initially (and looking like grape juice or a port.) I think even in an amber bottle in the fridge, once you've excited the molecule and let it hang out (with some shaking and heat baths, or whatever you did to get the job done...)

Definitely note, I'm not adding anything new here, but want to underline this, as I have been a daily user of dripper-styled temp control devices for vaping e-liquid. I'd love for this method to work, as my GVG is many things; however aesthetically low-key is not one of those things. This is an exciting thread to watch - but for lurkers trying to determine if it's totally worth it or not - it still does not seem to be worth it unless you enjoy both the troubleshooting aspect of this project as well as have a wealth of DMT to invest.

Horizon_Bloom: good, i will try, when i have something to try :-D

UgraKarma: with this metod discussed above, coils with no cotton one don't use eliquid with dmt but dmt goo directly on the coil, so if you keep it in a safe container should be ok, if one have xtal i think is possible to use also them in this way, or extract some goo.

Temperature can be a problem, but today we can decide watt, coils resistance and temperature control in the news big battery, i want to buy one evic mini that as all theese features, cost me 60 euro at the shop in the town, maybe less on the web, bye.

Out of curiosity, what kind of containers does everyone doing this use for storing their Freebase+PG/VG mix?

I ask because in all the pictures, it seemed plastic clear dropper bottles were used. I stopped using those for my nicotine juice, because of the leeching of some flavorings, and most notably, some of my favorite flavors I would use sparingly, and they would (assuming) oxidize from light exposure and end up tasting like crap. So I switched to storing all my DIY liquid in amber or blue glass. It's hard to say, because I use so much liquid, but it keeps at least twice as long as before.

Also, my initial experiments will be using a measured dose just barely saturated with VG to form a paste.

i.e. 10mg DMT saturated by pipette with vg. In that way, the oxidation by storage in PG/VG is avoided.

You can do a hot water bath to dissolve your measured dose into a small amount of pg/vg for single sessions.

If using cotton in your coil this would be a more manageable consistency as a paste wouldn't actually soak into the cotton and that part is important as the cotton will protect the dmt from being heated to quickly by the coil. Which would burn dmt instantly.

anrchy, maybe if too hot with subohm coils and too much watt, but find a balance or using a temperature control battery and get hot but not too much for dmt...one can place it on the coil directly without cotton ? maybe using goo ? anyone try this ?
I ask if anyone tried in this way because i'm interested but don't have experience, spice goo to try, i have only changa and i don't think is possible with it, for my opinion have a cottonless system and use the goo it's a easy way if work. you can clean the coil with dry burn, don't need to dissolve dmt in vg/pg and most of the time one can get easyly spice goo or jungle from extractions than pure withe xtal :-/

Technically it can work. You would just need to run low settings... low wattage/voltage/temperature. I'm just imagining it not working as well as dripping.

I would say make a macro coil, if your wanting to go wickless, and stuff some wax inside the hole. The tight windings in the coil will hold much more dmt once it's liquified than any coil that isn't tightly wound together. A dual coil build with 1/4 inch diameter and 5 wraps should be somewhere around 0.7 ohms iirc. Run that at 20 watts or so and that could probably work ok.

SWIM was successful in making the DMT e-Liquid, and found it to be a wonderful way to cross over. The hits are smooth, the journey begins quickly and smoothly, lasts longer than smoking, and the transition back is smooth and extended. Using an Ayahuaca alkaloid extract orally extended the journey considerably, both in depth and length.

SWIM used a 1:1 ratio of vegetable glycerin/flavoring to DMT (by weight), slightly warming it to get a nice mixture.

Using a Kangertec T3D (which has a double resistor) SWIM can get great vaporization. SWIM uses a variable voltage battery set just a little higher than normal (4.3V). In about 3 - 5 easy pulls, the journey begins with about 10 minutes on the other side. It's really a great way to share with fellow travelers as well. The basic concept is keep pulling until it's impossible. If you keep it handy, and you really want to, you can even extend the journey by hitting again as soon as you come back.

Though I have more advanced vaping equipment - I found using the K3D or Mini Protank 3 to be perfect. With 2ml of eLiquid (1g DMT) you have many voyages in just one tank. It does seem that the resistor needs to be changed with about every tank full to keep the vapor strong. Most importantly, I think it's a really simple set up for someone who is new to eCigs.

I should add that SWIM also tried it in a standard single resistor Kangertech, and it worked just fine. Obviously one has to hit it a few more times to get the same voyage, but the puff until you cross over is really the same, and the journey is the same.

The alkaloid extract seems to be impossible to mix with either VG or PG. Sadly After several tries, SWIM finally gave up. Taking about 100 mg orally about 45 minutes pre-flight gave me a much deeper and longer experience with the use of the e-Liquid. It is about 25 minutes on the other side, with a longer post-flight reintegration. Highly recommended.

For me, this is the evolution of shamanism, and humanity. Lots of love to all who have shared great information here to help guide us on our way, and to those beginning their journey.

And the next journey is always just a click away Shocked

So I think I finally found the most up to date thread about the e cigs here.

I have to tell you something about Duke. Duke is a guy totally passionate about e cigs,
and he's also really interested in DMT, though he hasn't tried it just yet.
But he already has got some 600mg Desert Dream FB on hand and soon will be proudly owner of an KBOX 200W TemperatureControl Mod. So he will definitely want to use that with that device. But Duke isn't really sure on how to mix his liquid as he doesn't want to waste any of his precious DMT nor wants to be shot straight into hyper space right away. He prefers his first experience to be more of a smooth and slowly kind (maybe not even breakthrough).

Also did Duke found some Harmine/Harmaline Extract on ebay. He may wants to add this as an ingredient to the liquid and wonders on weather to buy the freebase or the hydrochloride.

So far Duke read about DMT Mixtures being done with Ethanol, PG (Propylene Glycol), VG (Vegetable Glycol) and a lot of weird other stuff and he concluded they all are hydrophilic, it shouldn't matter which one is used. Duke thinks he would prefer the VG as it's the smoothest to smoke.

About the harmines Duke thinks HCL would be the way to go as it would probably dissolve in a better way than the FB, but he isn't sure about that. He heard concerns about HCL couldn't be smoked, only FB and he could't find the boiling point of HCL.

Duke did his homework and researched all the other boiling points though, to guess the best vaping temperature.

PG ~ 188.2°C
VG ~ 290°C
DMT-FB ~ 332°C
Harmine-FB ~ 421.4°C
Harmaline-FB ~ 120-140°C

The TC Mode only goes up to 315°C so maybe that will be a problem,
but Wattage mode will give it the rest than.
When does DMT starts to burn Duke wonders.

Also Duke isn't sure yet weather to use a tank or a dripper for better measuring and less wasting. He will try to count his puffs per ml and give you detailed information about it as soon he holds his new device in hands.

If some is curious, Duke orders all his eCig stuff directly from China at www.fasttech.com.
It themes to be the cheapest and he never had complaints about it so far. Just the shipping time bothers him as it takes about 30 days to Europe and there is always something new bevor he got the old.

So Duke really hopes you can help him and that he may also be able to help you.