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yoyo
#1 Posted : 12/5/2015 2:41:07 PM
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Hey guys, I'm going to attempt to recall my experience this past week with this ludicrous molecule dmt. I'm looking for other perspectives as I am unable to integrate anything from my first breakthrough dose.

Let's start off with my first encounter on the 29th Nov. This is the day I finshed reading C.G Jung's autobiography book where his last chapter touched upon the subject of the unknowable infinite unconscious, the ego, and the waking reality. I dosed 30mg outside in my backyard during day time whilst sitting on a chair. The weather was a perfect day for the beach with the nice open sun and breeze. I felt a clean vibrant euphoria which lasted around 2 minutes after exhaling. Opened eye visuals were the typically described geometric fractals and the plants and sky were literally brimming with white light. When I closed my eyes, the visuals consisted of black and white zebra type hatching patterns and came at me from weird angles. Needless to say it was a new realm of experience but ultimately it felt underwhelming as I expected to be 'changed' or feel different, nor did I encounter any machine elves. This was a great indulgence in to the psyche world but nothing game changing occurred to me nor my mentality which I guess was what I was chasing. Retrospectively, my sandwhich method was way off as I did not cherry the blend slowly but instead just blazed the come without letting go of the flame, most likely wasting a lot of the dmt.

So after a couple of days of life and routine, I decided re-dose again yesterday. This time I configured The Machine after some quick shopping and loaded ~70mg. I was on my chair in my room in darkness along with a candle lit burning softly as my only source of light. I turned off my chill hip-hop beats as people do recall doing it in silence, thereafter I couraged up and decided it was time to abolish myself and pulled slowly on the straw. As I hit my second count my reality rapidly deteriorated and all I could think of was 'well then fuck here we go'. Then came the thought of what TMcKenna says in his DMT explanation video, as well as the PsychedSubstances youtube video and another guys tutorial on remembering not to stop now but to take that 3rd and final hit, and so I did.

My memory after here is somewhat fuzzy, immediately after breathing out the plasticy smoke my body started convulsing and I was having a pretty intense body reaction. I could not lie in peace on my chair and decided I needed to hit the bed in front of me which was one step away (half a meter?). This was the most harrowing and frightening step I have ever taken, I remember how much of an effort and drag it was to plunge myself in to the bed believing I would be okay after I lie flat down. My only thought was 'get to the f****** bed, just get to the f****** bed now and everything will be okay'. (Apologies for language) But I was wrong. After securing my spot on my bed I remember trying to calm myself down and grasping on to the bed sheets on the side with my arms. I was hyperventilating and performed deep breathing techniques and tried to 'let go'. My head was flooded with unintelligible flashing psychedelic images accompanied by a very uncomfortable back and forth sharp eery electric static like noise which seemed to last forever. I could not tell whether my eyes were opened or closed, both views were identical and equally overwhelming. My first thought was, 'I want this experience to end, this is insanity'. I began to question what I was doing, am I ever going to return to normal? Am I going to OD here? Why did I embark on this journey again? Simultaneously as these thoughts occured, my intelligible self jumped to my info bank reserve and I dug up some crucial facts, that my source was a trustworthy smart person and that it is impossible to OD on dmt, and that it will be over in 15 minutes and that I would regain myself again. After this point I accepted that I would have to suck it up and just live through the rest of this queasy experience.

The intense hallucinations eventually died down and I was able to familiarise myself with my room again, I assumed 5-10 minutes or so would have passed but I am not sure. I stared at my lilo and stitch + mickey mouse toys across the room and they were giving me a funny devilish look in the dark golden hue of the candle light. I sat up in cross legged position and my body felt unlike mine, and as sarte says I felt like I was confronting an alien reality. I was able to get up and decided to play some ambient music thinking that it'd change the trip in to a positive one. So I chucked on some Bob Marley and instead of marley's voice permeating the room and changing the setting as it does on a LSD/Shroom trip. My mind instead warped the song in to what I can only describe as an artificial robotic unorganised sporadic tune. Interestingly enough I found this fascinating and was quite shocked at what had happened, never in my life have I heard 'music' like this. This definitely was not a human sort of sound and I came to the conclusion that even music is a human construction. As the dmt wore off, I was able to regain my self by dancing (this is usually how I anchor myself) and focusing on the beat. And like that my experience eventually came to an end. I was glad I was back and told my self I'd never do that high a dose for a while. I'll take it step by step this time until I feel comfortable enough to get that high again.

After a hour of googling and reading others reports later I went on again to toke on 20mg (after the tolerance is due to reset). This time I had the lights on and music playing before hand. My trip was vastly different from the previous one and can be explained in this thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=28604. This sentence describes it perfectly 'Pastel clay shifting carved plastic ancient futuristic cartoony weird alien super pink skin pointy ears in a different octave of reality...'. Everything seemed legoish like I had just been transported in to a lego world. There were no curves in sight, everything was drawn in sharp perfect plastic rectangular shapes and colours were very vibrant and cartoonish. Again, the music warped in to something alien. This time I had nujabes playing in the background and the dimmy consciousness turned it in to some random unharmonistic melody which did not appeal to my ears but again was some what intriguing. I also despised the taste of the dmt so I ventured in to the kitchen to drink some fruit juice and the instant it hit my stomach my world and senses lit up. From there on it was smooth sailing and the trip ended controllably and nicely.

So there describes my 3 trips. I am having trouble understanding what happened on my 70mg toke. I didn't get any revelations or introspective thoughts as I have heard, no elves or extraterrestrials were there to teach me or show me the way. It was just me ghasting for life momentarily, rationalising to myself that I would be okay, then just sticking through the thick. I'm postulating that perhaps I did not manage to let go of my self/ego properly? I am utterly confused as to what I got out of that experience. I feel the exact same, think the exact same, I am the same person as I was before, except now I am aware of the fact of this whole entire universe which seems independent of ours.

At the moment, my plan of attack is to finish of the residue in the machine the intention of utilising the state to dance. I guesstimate that there's some 2-10mg left of residue in there?

Overall I'm left confused. I guess I'm wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience.

Thanks for reading.
 

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#2 Posted : 12/5/2015 8:23:11 PM

Music is alive and in your soul. It can move you. It can carry you. It can make you cry! Make you laugh. Most importantly, it makes you feel! What is more important than that?

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Hey how is it going?

I would like to start off by mentioning that the DMT can only show you things, it does not change you by itself. The only thing that can change you is you. I can relate to not being able to let go and have even had times where I was struggling to lie down when all I had to do was lie down...Here is my most recent experience in which I finally employed some useful techniques to fully let go of myself in an experience. Also, there is a lot of useful information in this thread that deals with pre-flight anxiety and recalling trips: Techniques to Aid Pre-Flight Anxiety and Hyperspace Navigation

I'm sure you know this but 70mg is quite a massive dose. Many people have reported breakthroughs on 20-25mg or sometimes less. Of course, everyone is different and therefore dosage ranges will be different as well.

It is not uncommon to be underwhelmed by your first experience. DMT is a unique beast and takes some practice to get it just right. For those powerful experiences it is best to position yourself in a way to where you can lie down without any thought attached to it. Like I mentioned above, I've had some trips where I was having such an intense time that the concept of laying down didn't make any sense and therefore I was struggling for no reason. This can put an immense damper on the journey and cause confusion/panic. Whenever I smoke spice now, I get under some covers on my bed and halfway lay down so that I can still hit my bong (I prefer changa over Freebase, btw) effectively and that way I don't need to move much to lie back and enjoy.

I wouldn't be too disheartened by not being able to gain much or make sense of your trips just yet. Hyperspace is such a crazy place that it takes the brain a while to even begin to make any sense of anything there...In fact, I've had times where I can recall past trips when I'm on a new trip and since I am seeing those things for the second time, it tends to stick in the memory a little better...

There is a quote from somewhere (not sure who said it) that goes: "Do not give into astonishment"
This is of course, easier said than done. When it comes to DMT it is, IMO, best to let the experience wash over you and accept everything good, bad, or ugly that is happening to you. It took me more experiences than I'd care to admit to before I was able to understand and implement that simple technique. It is overwhelming at times and with it comes a whole lot of nonsensical, "who? what? where? wait? huh?" And then you are back on Earth.

Everything boils down to set and setting. How was your mood when you took the 70mg dose? What sort of changes are you hoping to make in your life through the use of DMT? I only ask because DMT is just a key to the innermost workings of ourselves and it tends to reflect what is going on in your own life at that moment, at least in my experiences.

Integration will come in time, generally. I honestly feel that the 70mg dose was too high and you may never be able to fully integrate it not to mention, free base DMT is often rapid and "in your face" so to speak (I don't mean that you can't integrate it, I just mean that it is or would be hard for anyone to make any sense of things when the dose is possibly too high). If anything it showed you a small portion of what it is capable of.

To navigate this space more efficiently, perhaps look into changa or some other method that uses harmalas to extend the duration. Harmalas sort of slow the experience down a degree too, IME.

Lastly, entity contact does not happen with everyone. I have only met a few in my many experiences and only one of those ever fully revealed itself to me. The other times it was like there were entities around and I could feel their energy and even hear them at times but sometimes they just are not interested in us humans, I've found. On another occasion, mentioned in my trip report above, an unforeseen force/entity told me I wasn't welcome in hyperspace and not to come back. That was eerie, I tell you what...So to wrap this all up, I would say jump back in with a clear head and clear intentions. Expect nothing but hope for the best. Oh, and don't forget to breathe! Very happy

EDIT: Oh hey, I just realized this was your first post! Welcome to the Nexus, friend!

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yoyo
#3 Posted : 12/6/2015 4:55:07 AM
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Hey there, thanks for the reply.
This was exactly the sort of condolence I was looking for.
Despite the scary experience I'd say I'm still a pretty happy go chap. I do feel a bit more altruistic and less concerned with conventional affairs. At the moment I am just intensely interested in the dmt experience and will be reading up on some Terrence Mckenna as I feel I can learn a vast amount of things from him. Haha and yep the 'Don't give in to astonishment!' is from mckenna, I can hear him ringing it in my head with his passionate energy.

Also I seem to be able to remember my dreams much more accurately and that I am thinking about the significance of said dreams more. I'm not sure if this is a one off thing as it has only been two days since. I do hope so though.

I realise now that 70mg was definitely way too high a dose. I can't imagine anyone being able to tackle that properly, I still remember being shred in to bits and I simply became a Missing.No in a non-dualistic world for a few minutes. That pokemon thingo -> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/ph...285WsA1qd4grfo1_1280.png quick google gave me this image which seems to depict what happened to me quite accurately.

I made sure of myself that my inner setting was at a good state for that large dose. I kept my body body healthy and my mentality was positive for the week. Also had a nice chat with my mum before hand. I think you are spot on and 70mg is simply just too much especially for a first/second step in to that realm. Looking back it was a silly thing to do! I guess I got the smacking I asked for.

You reassured me tremendously with this
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I wouldn't be too disheartened by not being able to gain much or make sense of your trips just yet. Hyperspace is such a crazy place that it takes the brain a while to even begin to make any sense of anything there...In fact, I've had times where I can recall past trips when I'm on a new trip and since I am seeing those things for the second time, it tends to stick in the memory a little better...


I'll be taking baby steps from now on. I do not think I'm ready for another 'breakthrough' dose again and won't be for a very long while. I'm not exactly too sure what I'm looking for with the dmt experience. I'm 20 and would like to make the best of my next decade as I realise that although time is you're friend and not enemy, youth is also something that should be made the best of while you can.

I definitely plan to convert the rest of my spice to changa and maybe leave another 30mg for pure spice tokes in the future just for the sake of it. I also came to the conclusion on that plastic trip that I would much prefer indulging outdoors in nature rather then indoors within confined boxes and blocks (These were the first two words that came to me during the visuals). The warping lego visuals were still extremely stunning and I infact love recalling that memory, it is fascinating as hell and quite comical in fact. However I can only imagine what it'd be like to do it at a beach or flower garden!

Next dose I'll be sure to have an hour pre-meditation breathing session and clarify my intentions. I'll also chuck on some 'dmt music' like sphongle instead of my other preferred beats. I can't see myself listening to bob marley/hip hop on it anymore, maybe changa at the beach will change that? I might try some classical like beethoven/mozart though.

Thank you for the warm welcome and I'm glad to be at the nexus!
 
 
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