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#21 Posted : 11/6/2015 8:34:11 PM

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of course it matters.
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#23 Posted : 11/7/2015 9:51:41 AM

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Here is the kind of intelligence that i think matters when it comes to DMT....its simple.
Smart dmt users are using it for their benefit. Theres nothing more to it. Who am i to judge the goals of someone using dmt for less philosophical purposes than say, myself?
The trickiest part (this can be tricky for ALL intelligences) is to decide whether dmt really helps in your life. Luckily, for those a little short on intelligence like myself... Dmt often has a way of providing "gentle" clues to make me see for myself if i am benefiting Smile!
God bless dmt though, really great tool.
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#24 Posted : 11/7/2015 1:43:01 PM

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Yes and no.

Will DMT have effects on a person of little intellect? Of course. However in my experience, more intelligent people tend to gain more from the experience, and are more likely to continue the journey and integrate the lessons into their life.

With that in mind, perhaps it's not strictly intelligence (like education and knowledge) that allows better integration, perhaps what I mean is wisdom.
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#25 Posted : 11/7/2015 1:57:07 PM

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It's a reflection of your own psychology. If your psychology is interesting and complex, so will be your dmt experiences. If you have never thought of anything besides getting laid and emulating tv characters, I bet you that you are not going to gain anything very profound from your endeavors.

You can only learn from the previous knowledge that you possess to logically explain experiences by.

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#26 Posted : 11/10/2015 2:07:18 AM

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anon_003 wrote:
It's a reflection of your own psychology. If your psychology is interesting and complex, so will be your dmt experiences. If you have never thought of anything besides getting laid and emulating tv characters, I bet you that you are not going to gain anything very profound from your endeavors.

You can only learn from the previous knowledge that you possess to logically explain experiences by.



When I was studying Native American culture, I saw Native American symbols and themes. When I was studying Buddhism I saw Buddhas. When I was studying Hinduism I saw Hindu gods and goddesses. When I thought about Christianity I saw angels and demons. In those cases it was definitely a reflection of my own psychology.

I guess it is all a matter of interpretation.

"There are no facts, only interpretations". -Nietzsche
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#27 Posted : 11/14/2015 1:34:27 PM

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DisEmboDied wrote:
anon_003 wrote:
It's a reflection of your own psychology. If your psychology is interesting and complex, so will be your dmt experiences. If you have never thought of anything besides getting laid and emulating tv characters, I bet you that you are not going to gain anything very profound from your endeavors.

You can only learn from the previous knowledge that you possess to logically explain experiences by.



When I was studying Native American culture, I saw Native American symbols and themes. When I was studying Buddhism I saw Buddhas. When I was studying Hinduism I saw Hindu gods and goddesses. When I thought about Christianity I saw angels and demons. In those cases it was definitely a reflection of my own psychology.

I guess it is all a matter of interpretation.

"There are no facts, only interpretations". -Nietzsche


I feel that my path was much the opposite. I saw Egyptian culture on DMT, so I studied ancient Egypt. I saw Hindu themes, so I turned my attention to Hindu art.

I don't agree with anon_003 in regards to only being able to learn from previous knowledge. Part of DMT's pedagogical process is how it can show us things that we have never seen before, but something which we can still take something away from. The more you travel, the more you quite literally integrate the foreign concepts as you slowly "learn" that world in the same way that you "learned" consensual reality. If it seems like someone has only thought of getting laid and emulating tv characters, then it is likely that they were never shown anything more meaning-rich. DMT provides that option for everyone despite intelligence or personality.

Having said that, I do recognize that an intelligent person will tend to be more capable of making connections in order to make sense out of the experience. It's funny to speak of intelligence because if we think of intelligence in terms of Howard Gardner's model of multiple intelligences, then to be "intelligent" in hyperspace takes on a whole new meaning. People who are highly emotionally intelligent, and capable of characterizing a complex palate of emotions will take something different away than someone who is musically intelligent, and can make sense out of the sounds, music, and harmonic quality to the proportions and characteristics of hyperspace who will take something different away from the experience than someone who has high intelligence in the category of spatial-temporal reasoning who can appreciate the subtlety of depth, angle and dimension in a way that others may under-appreciate or fail to recognize. I think that DMT is capable and may frequently display the same stimuli to different people, but because of that person's unique perception and personality profile, their thought processes will be stimulated in very different, yet valid ways.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#28 Posted : 11/14/2015 7:10:16 PM

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Just for sake of debate, how did you recognize the symbology as Egyptian/Hindu in the first place?

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#29 Posted : 11/14/2015 9:40:33 PM

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People are identified at different degrees to their self conceptualised belief systems. Those whom are more identified and stuck in their old patterns of behaviour/belief systems, have less of a capacity to be altered from the experience. DMT is just a mirror, if you're seeking depth in reality, it will give you depth, if you're content with your current belief systems, it will give you that limited perception, you're happy there, so it won't take you any deeper, you need to be "open to the mystery of the unknown" - Ram Dass.

One could say it is the karmic journey of the soul. The Karma will take them only to where they need to go in that moment, and no deeper, one has to be ready to be awoken, if they are not ready, then DMT, meditation, yoga, whatever the practice, they will not be awoken, for they want to stay asleep.

It is interesting coming into contact with information or the being of an "enlightened" person, for they all seem to be extremely intelligent in their nature and highly educated. I do feel "stupid people" tend to get caught on the path, falling into the pitfall of spiritual ego, rather than proving to go beyond those limited perceptions which they hold onto so dearly. I feel intelligence has a large part to it, but not logical intelligence, this is the intelligence of the body, of the world, which enables all things to be as they are and know how to be that which they are, but not knowing they know.
 
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#30 Posted : 11/14/2015 9:56:48 PM

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I must say I agree with Cazman043!
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#31 Posted : 11/14/2015 10:46:22 PM

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Global wrote:
It's funny to speak of intelligence because if we think of intelligence in terms of Howard Gardner's model of multiple intelligences, then to be "intelligent" in hyperspace takes on a whole new meaning. People who are highly emotionally intelligent, and capable of characterizing a complex palate of emotions will take something different away than someone who is musically intelligent, and can make sense out of the sounds, music, and harmonic quality to the proportions and characteristics of hyperspace who will take something different away from the experience than someone who has high intelligence in the category of spatial-temporal reasoning who can appreciate the subtlety of depth, angle and dimension in a way that others may under-appreciate or fail to recognize. I think that DMT is capable and may frequently display the same stimuli to different people, but because of that person's unique perception and personality profile, their thought processes will be stimulated in very different, yet valid ways.


Very well put global. I must say that, of late, i have missed your insightful views on these experiences.
 
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#32 Posted : 11/15/2015 3:56:54 AM

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Intelligence counts, but it is too intrinsic to human nature and not only. For me there is no such thing as stupid, and in that respect viewing everyone being different an unique you get a broader perspective of things.Not judging is key.
 
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#33 Posted : 11/15/2015 1:55:34 PM

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anon_003 wrote:
Just for sake of debate, how did you recognize the symbology as Egyptian/Hindu in the first place?

Much love Love


I can recall the first time I had an Egyptian themed experience in hyperspace. Without going into all the detail, I was in a pyramid composed of tan bricks with multidimensional pharaoh sarcophagi (seeming identical to the King Tut sarcophagus down to the detail and color) enfolding through each other. I would be baffled if someone were to mistake the imagery for another Earthly culture.

On another level, sometimes the cultural images can be abstract, but as Husserl would put it, their qualities are as immanent to my consciousness as the perception of red. Take this image for example:



Although this is clearly not an authentic work of Egyptian art, I think it should be undeniably clear what aesthetic it is modeling. There are a number of artistic hallmarks to the style. The way the eyes are drawn/sculpted, the geometric motifs in their clothing, the style of a temple, heiroglyphs, head-dresses, the way feathers are drawn/sculpted, etc...Sometimes the color scheme alone can signal the cultural imagery. Turquoise is IME a fairly rare color to encounter in hyperspace...except in the Egyptian context. Therefore at the first sight of turquoise, I usually know that I will be encountering Egyptian things in the very near future.

When I encountered the Bennu Bird, I did not know what it was, but the aesthetic was so obviously Egyptian that I knew where to look to do my research.

Do you think you could confuse the originators of this image?


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"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#34 Posted : 11/15/2015 7:11:18 PM

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For sure, the egyptian aesthetic is a pretty distinct one. I, too have had several egyptian themed experiences in hyperspace. Notably, not just with DMT, but ketamine as well. I only add this to suggest that maybe it isn't just some sort of quality that is inherent with only tryptamines; maybe it is much deeper than that and has something to do with human psychology in and of itself.

The Bennu Bird experience you had is pretty incredible. While I don't think you can draw any absolute conclusions from it, it certainly makes you wonder. It seems pretty freakishly coincidental that you would see this symbol, against all others, on the particular event of the winter solstice. Who knows the reasons for that, honestly.

How do you rationalize the mechanisms for this experience? I am curious of your familiarity with egyptian culture at the point of this experience.
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#35 Posted : 11/16/2015 1:59:52 AM

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anon_003 wrote:

How do you rationalize the mechanisms for this experience? I am curious of your familiarity with egyptian culture at the point of this experience.


The geometry used to make the cultural motifs seems like it is inherent to the experience. The authentic ancient Egyptian art is likely more mathematical than most might suppose. The Egyptian geometry tends to exist in the high frequency range where tight buzzing is often common. I think that a big part of the Egyptian mysteries involved the theme of rebirth. I think this was at the heart of the Great Pyramid's most elusive function: to initiate using sensory deprivation to facilitate rebirth experiences. Rebirth is the concept behind Osiris, Horace, and the Bennu Bird. Rebirth can entail the alchemy of having a consciousness that is only aware of the physical to one that is aware of the extra-physical elements in the world. There's really so much to it, and so much of it is just my speculation. One of the most important things to consider is that any time when discussing DMT-related things, it is important to realize that more often than not multiple or seemingly contrasting ideas tend to be simultaneously correct; so when thinking about the issue of whether Egyptian culture affected hyperspace or hyperspace affecting Egyptian culture, I would not rule out the idea that there was a co-evolution.
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"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#36 Posted : 11/16/2015 2:12:21 AM

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Hey Global, I have a question for you - since you seem to be very interested in egyptian culture -
regarding the pyramids - recall the the as-above, so-below - recall the fact the largest pyramid was encased in limestone,
which back in the day if you were an egyptian, this thing would have shone majestically almost as if they created the pyramid to emulate the sun.
Ok.
I have been reading about energies, and how particularly the form of a pyramid (thinking of orgone technologies)
creates a kind of a vortex. Psychics and people of that crowd seem to think that the position of the pyramid is very important for how the energy is "funneled" onto a point, or gathered together.

My two questions are:

1) Why on earth would the egyptians encase the largest pyramid in limestone (are there energetic properties of this material?)

2) Has anyone in the world ever checked to see if their are inverse pyramids exactly underneath the pyramids?
As above, so below - right?

Just some curiosities I have on my mind, and I would love to gather your expertise/opinion in the matter!

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#37 Posted : 11/17/2015 2:02:26 AM

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Anamnesia wrote:

1) Why on earth would the egyptians encase the largest pyramid in limestone (are there energetic properties of this material?)


Your guess is as good as mine. I never thought about it too much, but some things come to mind. If a function of the pyramids was sensory deprivation, then perhaps limestone creates good aural insulation. I've heard theories of the pyramids being energy collectors, and that part of that energy might be physical radiation such as that emitted by granite (I believe the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber is made of granite, but I'm not certain). If granite is good at emitting energy, then limestone might be good at insulating it.

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2) Has anyone in the world ever checked to see if their are inverse pyramids exactly underneath the pyramids?
As above, so below - right?


I've heard people speculate about the inverse pyramids, but to my knowledge there is no real evidence for it.

As for the orgonite, I have some orgonite pyramids and cones. They've lead me to some revelations about how the ethereal energy works, albeit indirectly, and from my judgment not much actually to do with their own energetic properties or pyramidal/conical form. I'm both hesitant to accept talk from others about how energy works, as I am open to realizing that many of the things that I hear about energy that I am quick to dismiss, I later verify myself incidentally. Point is that if I hear some talk about pyramids spiraling energy, I'd like to try to experience it for myself: either through a meditational experiment, or if the concept is displayed for me to behold on DMT, as if by dumb luck.
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"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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Interesting. Well, thanks for your reply.

Are we better or worse then to assume the egyptians knew what they were doing in regard to their particular selection of limestone and granite in relation to their energetic properties?
If limestone creates good aural insulation, perhaps they were trying to contain the soul, or the spirit, or somehow magnify it, of the king in the chamber?

Right, no evidence. I just wonder if anyone has actually dared dig to find out.

I tend to agree on the point on being naturally dismissive of talk from others about energies. But, more and more I keep coming back to it, and wondering if our discovering energy technologies in various forms isn't but a recovering of some kind of lost knowledge.

If you would be willing to share if you have the time, or if you don't mind pointing me towards perhaps another post, the nature of your revelations on how ethereal energy works. I am very interested in this. I have recently come to the realization there is nothing I want more than to find out, confirm, for myself, whether or not the so-called etheric, or astral, body actually exists, especially in relation to chi/chakras/kundalini and so on. Basically, the idea is all over the place from taoism, esoteric buddhism, and in indian yoga. I'm having a hard time believing as I've use to that all these systems are mere metaphors or some kind of extremely esoteric symbolism.

I just bought a pendant from here a few days ago:
http://fifthelementorgone.com

I wonder if there really is anything to it.
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Without hijacking this thread too much more, the incident I refer to with the orgonite pyramid is quoted below. I think I talked about it in one of the e-zines. The "crystal" I refer to is the orgonite pyramid.

Global wrote:

When I take DMT, there is a large energy component to it. It seems to be the component on which the entire experience is derived. All of hyperspace including the objects, machinery, entities and landscape all seem to be composed of this energy. This energy and the hyper-things made up of it are localized in time and space as if they were external to my body. They feel magnetic to the touch as if one is interacting with pure magnetism, though magnetism is not the force at play here. Upon contact with the physical body, it can create automatic autonomous movements of my body. So if the energy makes contact with my left arm for example, it will cause that limb to move on its own. There have been times when I’ve been completely flooded by this energy causing my body to assume various, very precise and symmetrical Qi-Gong-like postures even though I have no real knowledge of Qi Gong or any such postures.

Through studying my own involuntarily guided actions, I found that I was able to conjure the same energy (albeit to a weaker extent) through meditation, focus and breathing. There’s part of me that is intrigued by Qi-Gong because it should seem like there’s obviously something to it. On the other hand, the postures that my body assumes either through DMT or meditation just feel right. I ask myself why I should bother learning and forcing some postures when my body is here teaching and doing the work for me. It should seem to me that if you’re “doing it right,” there should be little need for human instruction. What I do know of Qi-Gong is that they believe the energy they interact with to be qi (life energy), which goes by many different names in different cultures. I would not be surprised if it turns out that hyperspace and its inhabitants are composed entirely of qi.

One day I was studying a crystal of mine, and I held it up to my face, so I could examine it more clearly when the arm that was holding it began oscillating forcefully back and forth as if it had this magnetic-like attraction/repulsion with my face, so now we have to take a tiny step backwards and talk about chakras for just a moment for the rest of this to make sense. Chakras are these alleged subtle energy centers that run along the spine. Each chakra is believed to be associated and aligned with a particular organ/gland and a particular color. Many don’t believe they exist. Though many religions and cultures identify them (they often form the foundation for many of their metaphysical philosophies), many remain quite skeptical, as they are not acknowledged by Western science, and they have come to be associated with an often-nauseating New Age aesthetic (along with crystals). I used to find myself in the boat with the skeptics, but the experience that I’m about to relate firmly convinces me beyond much doubt of the existence of chakras more so than I am convinced about any other claim I make in this paper. The reason why will soon become clear.

Now the sixth chakra (from the bottom-up) is located in the middle of the forehead, which was just about where the crystal I was holding was oscillating. This sixth chakra is most identifiable as the “third eye”, though that has little bearing on this story. I decided to try holding the crystal up to random parts of my body to see if I would still elicit the same energetic effect. Any old place such as the shoulder or any random part of the body would have no effect. When I tried holding the crystal up to where I believed the other chakras to be, I would get that same energetic oscillation of my arm as when it was held up to my third eye…well almost, but as you’ll see, it’s important that I “failed”.

This energy effect was present at every chakra with the exception of one, and that was the fourth or heart chakra. For a few days I thought perhaps it was the kind of crystal. Crystals are also supposed to be associated with the various chakras, and so I thought perhaps I just needed to get a crystal associated with the heart chakra. In retrospect it wouldn’t have mattered what crystal I have because it turns out the crystals probably have little to do with this whole experiment as I can do the same experiment using any mundane physical object like a television remote or whatever. Then something occurred to me. In most all diagrams I’ve seen of chakras running along the body, they always run straight up and down the spine, however the chakras are also supposed to be aligned with certain organs which creates a bit of a paradox in the case of the heart. The heart organ is slightly offset to the left so the question becomes, “is the heart chakra aligned with the spine or the heart organ?”

I designed a quick and simple personal experiment. First I held up the crystal to the center of my chest as I had done before, and where I had originally believed the heart chakra to be, and it was a “dead spot” – no energy effect. I then held it over the right side of my chest, and it too was a “dead spot”. When I held it over the left side of my chest…eureka! We have lift off! It was like turning on a battery, as my arm involuntarily and poignantly came to life with its wide, automatic oscillations.

It seems practically undeniable to me due to that experience that chakras exist. Before I stumbled across the solution to that “heart dilemma”, the thought had crossed my mind, as well as some of my peers, that it could very well easily be subconscious autosuggestion or something of the sort. Now deep down I knew that it probably wasn’t autosuggestion because the oscillations just seemed too powerful, forceful, and seemingly devoid of my voluntary command. Having and resolving the issue with the heart chakra laid that issue to rest as far as I was concerned because to the best of my knowledge and what I believed based on the numerous diagrams of chakras I had seen, there should have been no reason for it not to work when I held it up to the middle of the chest along the spine. It even took me a few days of puzzlement before I managed to straighten things out. As with the Qi-Gong-like postures, once again it was my body (or the energy acting through my body) that gave me direct knowledge of their chakras (most specifically verifying their existence and reappraising their locations). Now if the validity of chakras has been reified for me, and chakras are energy centers of qi, and should it turn out that the energy that composes all of hyperspace (as I experience it) is made out of this same qi, then it stands to reason that hyperspace should carry all the more element of “realism” with it.
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"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#40 Posted : 11/17/2015 5:09:31 PM

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Yeah, sorry about the hijacking guys.
I'm sure I'm not the only with these kinds of questions.

Global, thank you for posting your paper.
That was very very interesting.
Having read it, it's opened another can of questions for me.

Thank you so much for sharing.
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