Been awhile since I've visited the forums and I just wanted to share my thoughts on this magical substance. I recently tried to revisit this place, but never seemed to want to go over the edge.

I've had this stuff in changa for awhile. Just sitting quietly in a jar for around two years. I've tried crystals first a couple years ago and it always seemed too intense to make it all the way. Kinda like I was being catapulted somewhere and I would just hold on to my bed. I always aborted it just like the first few times.

Fast forward to the present. Two years after my first attempts. I was hanging out with a long time friend, and I was enjoying my nice batch of squishies that I had just harvested. My friend is a long time pyschonaut and I mentioned that I had this stuff called DMT about the time my afterglow was in full effect. He seemed fairly interested after a long discussion about it not being anything he could've experienced before now. I was reluctant to break it out, but I assured myself that surely after two years this stuff was degraded. Boy was I wrong...

I watched him take a few puffs and he seemed to have a smile on his face. It must've been weaker I thought. So after a few minutes of getting my mind calm and ready, I took two gargantuan hits. Boom. The room that was fairly lit, blew up in size, light, and geometric patterns to say the least. Immediately, I knew this stuff had not degraded at all. I should've closed my eyes, because to me, the feeling I get is very sinister in nature, but I always forget to close them. With the sinister feeling, I'm afraid to close my eyes. I know I will see bad things even if I'm in a good state of mind like that night. The patterns I saw were awesome, but I get such an overwhelming feeling that I am unwelcome. Almost feels like I'm being bombarded with an enormous amount of bad energy. I was tipping over the edge and I abort again. My friend could see my distress, but knew not to engage me in any way.

But every time my friend experiences the "waiting room" and seeing entities in the distance, he seems overjoyed about what he saw. Kinda half-phased in hyperspace. This was when I decided that this isn't for me no matter how much I want to go to hyperspace. I will stick with my squishies because they are good to me and I'm good to them. We have a special bond. DMT is not good for me and it never will be...I accept that. I was so distressed I immediately made that decision. Although I still like to hear my friend's experiences. I like facilitating it, if someone gets joy out of it.

Sorry so long, I had to get that off my chest. Sometimes things aren't always the best thing for you. Listen and feel what's right or you'll definitely have a frightening experience. I'm not
trying to sway people away from the experience. Just listen to yourself when attempting to breakthrough and you be the judge.

Thanks for reading!

Thanks for posting this!

You are absolutely correct, DMT is not for everyone. I am glad you have the strength and courage to know when enough is enough. Do not be discouraged though, it is an admirable attribute.

On the flipside:
I've found Pharmahuasca to be gentler in nature when there is careful control of the dosage. Go higher with the harmalas and less DMT. It gives you time to navigate the space, rather than being forcefully blasted into oblivion for a handful of minutes only to be plopped back down on Earth with a "who!? what!? where!?" feeling. Don't get me wrong though, if you take enough it can be just like a DMT vaping session but it lasts for MUCH longer so be careful if you ever decide to try this route.

Anyway, you know yourself better than anyone so always do what is best for you. The good thing is you already know and mentioned that so I digress!

Have a good one!

It is an admirable attribute indeed! It's a wise man who can satiate his desire for something simply by accepting that it is not the medicine for him. I'm glad your friend had a good time, and may your travels lead you to the path of least resistance and greatest benefit!

Good luck, and Happy Trails!

What was your strongest dose with mushrooms?
I ask this because i can find no real difference between a strong shroom trip and Ayahuasca (except the purging).

If you combine Paganum Hamala with shrooms you will also get an expirience which is very similar to Aya/analogs/pharma.

Don't give up yet, smoked crystals/changa cannot be compared with the oral route.
If you have a good relationship with the shroomies you can have one with the rest of the tryptamine family.

You either underestimate the powers of the shrooms, or you have too much respect/fear to try the oral route because of your bad experience with smoking/vaping.

Imho, you end up at the same place anyways.

I used to feel unwelcome too, after several sessions that has past.

I think for some people it takes a good handful of times. That was not the case for me, but I have seen it and many others. I have also given it to a couple of people with mental problems thinking that it may help them, but did not probably only made it worse, now I know from first hand experience.

Thanks for all the encouraging replies. You're probably right, The grateful one, I need to ease in another way maybe. I'm not really sure yet. Ayahuasca maybe, even though I will purge. It seems to have a buildup compared to the instant onset of vaping. I'm used to the overwhelming feeling in a sense. I just need to remember to close my eyes, which I hear is much more calming depending on what you see. I'm sure I will try again in the future....I'm just a little discouraged right now. It is very powerful and have plenty of respect for DMT.



I have indeed taken a strong mushroom dose before. Just over 5 grams. It was very impacting on my life and I felt like I lost a sense of my being a few times during the trip. Close to a complete OOB experience. All I could do is lay on my couch and enjoy the show. The funniest thing about the trip was that I remembered that I had parents, family, friends, and obligations right in the middle of the peak. I couldn't stop laughing because all of that felt so petty compared to what I was experiencing at the time. After that, my feeling towards life and the world had changed. I know DMT is part of the same tryptamine family, but I think the instant onset of the trip throws me off. There's just no build up, which I think unsettles me a little bit.

I think everybody who inhales some form of DMT can relate to that feeling. Its just soo powerful and fast.
If you don't feel some kind of respect or even fear in face of its power, there is something wrong with you.

That beeing said, i prefer the oral route because of its length. Enough time to get used to its effects even if you never really can get used to its weirdness .

I've had the same exact experience the last couple times I remember trying to smoke DMT out of a water pipe in the sandwich method. After the second toke no matter how much I try to convince myself, I just can't take another. I decided there was nothing I could get out of that kind of experience so I left DMT alone for a while, don't know when I will return.

BUT I think the solution to our problem is to get a GVG. From what I've heard it only takes 1 toke to breakthrough if done correctly, and at that point you won't have to convince yourself of anything

DMT can be a tough compound to work with IMO.
I had a rough time at first but it was something I really wanted to fully experience & decide for myself whether or not it was the correct tool for my needs.

What I mean when I say `hard to work with` is that there is so much variance from individual to individual, experience to experience, & even between different routes of administration & dosage levels especially when harmalas come into play that it can take alot of dedication & time to figure out what dosage & ROA are most suitable for you personally.

My experiences have been spread out over a period of years & generally occur as I feel ready & have integrated my last experience.

I suggest some serious experimentation to find the sweet spot. Smoking is very intense & quick, maybe try oral. Starting first with purified harmalas dissolved in some water & take notes on how they effect you at different dosage levels alone.
Once you determine your ideal dosage with harmalas, start very low with DMT & slowly introduce it into the harmala experience a few milligrams at a time (or if you prefer the natural route start at 1-1.5g mhrb or ACRB brewed).

Much easier to get comfortable that way & allows for a nice drawn out transition into breakthrough territory with each trip getting closer & allowing time to stay at a certain level until you begin to feel ready to move up. It may take a few trips or it may take years to work yourself up to deep hyperspatial travel, but there is no rush & it is something that needs to be explored at ones own pace in order to really perfect & utilize to it`s full advantage.