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The brain is a filter
not a generator.
I'm sure the phenomena can be replicated. Probably as a byproduct of AI. How could something that is 'conscious' not have intuition? Intuition is there with every question, every thought, and every situation. It's one of those things that dictate what we call personality. Imagine the intuition of our collective species, or that of something far beyond its capacity.
Intuition;
knowing the answer to a math problem
without wasting time writing out every single step.
(Resonance)
And resonance can be non-local, which is as interesting as it is revealing.
It's like asking where do babies come from?
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^..good shot House!
the Resonance point is especially good, and has far reaching implications..
the physics of resonance is especially cool..am still pondering this..
thanks ۩
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If everything from humans to jellyfish to individual cells (and everything in-between) has intuition then it would lead me to believe that it's tied in with consciousness itself interwoven in the background rather than some atomic biological logic.
Like a parameter to the mystery that can't quite be described yet.
This is one of the branching paradoxes to the greatest riddle of our lives.
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۩ wrote: Intuition is there with every question, every thought, and every situation. It would seem, therefore, that intuition is directly tied to 'choice'. Without 'choice' there would be no 'either or' duality and no need to intuit an answer... Perhaps Intuition is a necessary by-product of the dichotomy of earthbound existence? The 'Source' would know nothing of intuition, since it is all questions and all answers simultaneously . The question now arises...do you ( as an earthly entity) 'trust' in intuition to make the right 'choice' or would it just be a coin flip? What is 'right' anyway? ۩ wrote:This is one of the branching paradoxes to the greatest riddle of our lives. Oh hell yeah...  Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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Do worms and single celled organisms make choices?
Or are they just going with the eternal flow?
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۩ wrote:Do worms and single celled organisms make choices?
Or are they just going with eternal flow? I'll go ask them and get back to you on that one... I may be some time...  Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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nen888 wrote:
..this would suggest, if the intuition is entirely a product of cells/functions in the brain, that a similar 'prediction machine' would be able to be constructed one day..
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It doesn't just suggest it, it's here. How do you think Deep Blue beat Kasparov? The only difference is that Deep Blue needed 15 minutes to come up with a "prediciton" to win, and our brains need less than a second.
What you don't understand, you can make mean anything. - Chuck P.
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^..but chess is still a fairly limited set of factors..
if a computer could predict human behaviour in general, or inform me that my dog is on the way home (without any EM sensory data) ..now that would be something..
a lot of human intuition does seem 'outside intent' as Vosdel put it..
not exactly the same as: 'objective=win game" based on opponent's last move and position of pieces on the board..
but i do see your point Neural..
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nen888 wrote:^..good shot House!
the Resonance point is especially good, and has far reaching implications..
the physics of resonance is especially cool..am still pondering this..
thanks ۩ http://subbody.net/03theory/resonancetheory.htm
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۩ wrote:The brain is a filter
not a generator.
I have to intervene, and say that it's both. Which processes are filtering processes, and which are generative ones, is what is being researched in a huge field that is looking to understand consciousness, with contribution from many perspectives and disciplines.
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Touché my good man.
Let's get on the see-saw, shall we?
With every truth there is a false onion peeling paradoxical layer in its wake and both are equally as invalid.
When discussing reality
we leave out most of the details
and focus on the small window
we can sense
for it's all we think we have. It's really a clever mechanism, I mean, most don't even notice or suspect it yet. Reminds me of things like Facebook or other data mining friendly user interfaces.
One could say that that which is filtered is generated. Semantics. Dreams and reality are created in almost the exact same manner. Shine a light through the candelabra of prisms and watch what happens.
The real generator is consciousness. Space, time, and matter all stem from this. A lot of scientists try to explain how matter generates consciousness, but they could not be more wrong. Consciousness is the everywhere and nowhere. The eternal moment. Timeless and spaceless. There with everything and nothing. It's the light. The code. The life force. The space between. The mystery. It's there in the human, the worm, the cell, and the vacuum of our own perceptual abyss binding all into the hub.
The only thing the brain is generating is our silly little filtered and dilated simulation we think is so real and important. Everything we describe, and every scientific breakthrough, is just further away from the truth as we tangle ourselves deeper into our own creations. That which we think is external is most definitely not (just as much as it is here). The stars tell us more about ourselves than this thing we call a universe.
Some live fully by the light of the window. You are commended. The stage needs a story. Might as well generate a livelihood off of it. It will always go on morphing for whatever reason. I'll be in the back getting high believing none of this. Not even, and especially, this. After all, this is just what my intuition whispers to my manual dexterity automatically.
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love this thread  well to be blunt i think intuition "is" - as people usually experience it, at least- for the most part a watered down form of a non-local telepathy/precognitive ability that lies dormant in the human brain but which rarely manifests in profound ways, and can be occasionally* be coaxed out by various means if the winds of the logos are at ones back. For a relatively trivial and lower-level example of just how it can be coaxed out: look at allan snyders transcranial magnetic stimulation research and the astonishing results their getting, for starters.. i also think the brain is both a receiver and generator of consciousness...in a sense... but these are words that mean essentially nothing to me in face of the autopoeitic lapis of conscious multidimensional idea complexes that spin, evolve, and grow in the meyend...metaphor is usually more useful in downloading it into such a crude way of communicating. I think the great unspeakable something can be thought of as a light or frequency or field that permeates absolutely everything and defies description- but not necessarily our experience. And the brain, to borrow houses word, is simply the most fine-tuned and advanced prism or lens that we're aware of for amplifying and twisting this underlying imaginatrix field into a vortex of cortex so in this way, when the lens of consciousness is more coherent, in tune, and clear, we obviously would be intuitively engaged in a much smoother and natural energetic dance with the flow of reality. since you are reality
<Ringworm>hehehe, it's all fun and games till someone loses an "I"
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۩ wrote: The stars tell us more about ourselves than this thing we call a universe.
Terribly sorry, I thought you were going to present arguments, and I was eager to learn. That's fine though, we can just agree to disagree on everything you said. Very poetical though! Kudos for that!
What you don't understand, you can make mean anything. - Chuck P.
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..non-locality (mentioned by universecannon) is a good topic..
nothing is entirely just a one point (in quantum theory)
including atoms in the brain..
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Non-locality you say?
The Hindu knew this with their yantra gazing thousands of years ago (is right now, forever).
Resonance implies harmonics. Science is great and all, but intuition is so much more efficient.
And intuition by definition is a science, it's just automatic and phenomenological.
These linguistic layers make me highly suspicious. Everything has a doppelganger. When confronted with this monumental fraud you must take a side. There's no room for both.
Forward is actually backward.
Discuss.
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۩ wrote:Forward is actually backward.
Discuss. It kinda is...isn't it ! For all our postulating and progressive thinking, all we do is move further and furthur away from the ineffable truth. If all that is and was, is actually happening NOW...non-locality would kinda make sense...just different bits of NOW happening NOW but non-locally...because the happening that is NOW is masking the happening that 'was'...earlier in the NOW.... couldn't get much out of the worms...they just kept spouting off about Undulatory Locomotion in a Simple Structured Medium...Meh !Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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Great thread, I agree with everyone of you! That very question was on my mind today and I came across these quotes..I particularly like Robert Graves..maybe it is our own quantum leap.. Quote: Albert Einstein (Theoretical physicist who is widely considered one of the greatest physicists of all time. Best known for the theory of relativity, Nobel Prize in Physics for his explanation of the photoelectric effect and "for his services to Theoretical Physics".):
«The only real valuable thing is intuition.»
«There is no logical way to the discovery of these elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.»
John Naisbitt (Former executive with IBM and Eastman Kodak, American writer in the area of futures studies. Author of several international best sellers like "Megatrends" and "Re-inventing the Corporation".):
«Intuition becomes increasingly valuable in the new information society precisely because there is so much data.»
Alexis Carrel (French surgeon, biologist and eugenicist, Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine):
«All great men are gifted with intuition. They know without reasoning or analysis, what they need to know.»
«Intuition comes very close to clairvoyance; it appears to be the extrasensory perception of reality.»
Henry Reed (British poet):
«Intuition is the very force or activity of the soul in its experience through whatever has been the experience of the soul itself.»
«It is as if the intuitive sense acting through the soul is what makes the raw events into food for the soul.»
Immanuel Kant (German philosopher):
«Intuition and concepts constitute... the elements of all our knowledge, so that neither concepts without an intuition in some way corresponding to them, nor intuition without concepts, can yield knowledge.»
George Crumb (American composer of modern and avant garde music):
«In general, I feel that the more rationalistic approaches to pitch-organization, including specifically serial technique, have given way, largely, to a more intuitive approach.»
Robert Graves (English poet, scholar, and novelist):
«Intuition is the supra-logic that cuts out all the routine processes of thought and leaps straight from the problem to the answer.»
Lao Tzu (ancient Chinese philosopher):
«The power of intuitive understanding will protect you from harm until the end of your days.»
Anne Wilson Schaef (writer and lecturer):
«Trusting our intuition often saves us from disaster.»
Andie MacDowell (American screen actress):
«I think women have an innate ability to be intuitive with people that they truly love, but they have to trust that inner voice, and I think it is there. I think we are more intuitive than men.»
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6.28 pm exactly ( was that intuitive?) Tine for a Bump...  Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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cyb wrote:6.28 pm exactly (was that intuitive?)
Intuition gently guides sphorange to adjust their time settings on the forum. Sphorange obliges, but quickly gets caught up in the notion that he lives on a rotating oblong sphere.Inconsistency is in my nature. The simple PHYLLODE tekI'm just waiting for these bloody plants to grow
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Like a few others have said, I would boil down the experience of intuition to one thing in particular: subconscious pattern recognition. We absorb many things subconsciously through our reduction valve brain that aren't always consciously accessible. How many times have you bumped into an acquaintance and remarked, "Something seems different about you, did you get a new haircut?" and they say "I just got new glasses, ya jerk" Consciously we could not recall the difference but our subconscious mind knew what was up. Similarly, when we are put into a situation and have a strong feeling towards something, I believe it to be our subconscious mind taking in all of this circumstantial data and drawing conclusions from it that would benefit us and our continued existence. Some might speculate that intuition is an evolutionary advantage, evolved from our early ancestors. Many animals have "instincts". Why do dogs that we adopt weeks after birth bark at the moon? Evolutionary programming that allowed them to locate other animals and form packs to everyones benefit? Don't ask me, but it is one way of looking at it. Once in a while, you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
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