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gdu9031
#1 Posted : 11/2/2015 4:19:11 AM
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I've been a lurker for a long time and I've learned a vast welth of knowledge from this forum. I've resisted posting for as long as I can but this issue has caused great frustration for someone I know.

A friend recently acquired some spice and decided to try to Recrystalize it due to some conclusions made about it. First the reason; The spice is pure white, resembles baking soda, and had the proper smell so it was assumed that it's good quality spice. Upon administration, the spice would not melt for vaporization despite many different heat variations and methods. The usual method of vaporization used in the past with the yellowish pink chunks acquired in the past was to place it on a quarts nail attached to a water pipe. This method worked great. This spice would mostly turn to ash with all methods. An exorbant quantanty was needed for a break through(titrated up about 200mg). A lot of spice was wasted. Sad

Next Recrystalization was attempted using one gram of spice in 30ml of naphta. Solution was placed in a slow cooker at lowest temperature setting. First abnormality noted was Approximatly less then 50 percent would dissolve in the solvent. The solvent solution was separated from the undissolved solids and freeze precipitation was attempted. After 4 days there was no crystal formation.

Meanwhile the remaining undissolved solids was dissolved in distilled water.( A small portion of lye was added to the water solution to insure proper alkalinity over 12. Naphtha was added three times, shaken, and separated from the water. That solution was consolidated to the original container and then evaporated down to a milky white consistency. Freeze precipitation was attempted again with no results in two days other then a little bit of ice.

Then as a last ditch effort, the solution was completely evaporated away.

The result; a very fine film of paste of a yellowish tan color(like ear wax) and 5 or 6 little crystals about the size of pinheads. There is FAR less then a gram. It looks like a guesstimated 95 percent of spice has seemingly disappeared(where else could it have went???) the only that was made is it broke down or mostly remains in the water(which was saved just in case that was the problem and it could somehow be recovered from the water by other means other then a none polar solvent pull)

Three conclusions where made based on research here on this site. Either a large proportion has oxidized, it was not properly basified(because some dissolved in solvent and some dissolved in water), or it was some sort of "fumerate".

Is this salvageable? Where did the DMT go? What was done wrong?
 

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#2 Posted : 11/2/2015 5:09:37 AM

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I would've added ammonia to an alcohol, like isopropanol, then extract with dcm.
that's what I did with DPT HCl (except i used chloroform)

maybe that wasn't dmt? i have no experience with dmt fumarate so I can't give any feedback on that;
but fumaric is a diprotic acid, and pH should be above 13 to make sure >99% of all dmt molecules in solution have a neutral charge.
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200mg for a breakthrough!? Something is definitely off. The best way to avoid these problems is to extract it yourselves. Maybe it wasn't DMT, or it was DMT cut with something which seems absolutely outrageous even as I type it.

Even a gram of impure DMT shouldn't result in next to nothing after a re-x. Very strange indeed, my friend. Hope you figure it out. Best of luck and welcome to the Nexus!

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gdu9031
#4 Posted : 11/2/2015 5:59:10 AM
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I'm sure it's DMT. The effects are spot on and it has that "smell". How I got to 200mg is I just kept increasing the dose until I would get a breakthrough. It took a LOT but the experience was what Im accustomed to.

Is there a way to get what's dissolved in the water back out? I figured I could evaporate it at room temperature but that seems like it would take a loooonnng time... What do you think the possibility is that the majority oxidized?
 
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#5 Posted : 11/3/2015 3:30:48 AM

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That could be DMT-Fumarate and when you vaporized only slight bit went off, did it burn more than usual? Did you try to smoke it? It could be bad 4 u. It could also have fillers so that dealers make more money, dodgey. I had a friend who smoked dmt-fumarate obliviously and got hiigh of it.

If in doubt, you can just add it to basic water and pull with naphtha... if their is any spice left it will be in the solvent you pull with.
 
 
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