Hello,

I've been on this quest for That Something for my whole life and now that it has led me here, I've had my fair share of spiritual related experience and lately w dmt also and I feel it's pulling me to "the other side" in a way all this travelling in space an this reality being a fiction and stuff... I mean sure it all makes sense sort of, but what do people know about this plant and this entity...it's intentions? Like it feels right, but hey how many times you've been in love and it was just the right person and it turns out it want, you know what I mean? Im just trying to be objective/critical.... it feels like I'm giving someone my soul and that's not really something you'd wanna hand over just like that...I wonder, what are your thoughts, haw you thought about this? what are your conclusions? You know have you wonder if haven't just gone loopy?

I can't see its intentions being anything but good. I always get very loving caring feelings from DMT. And sometimes you just know its right, ya know?

And as for giving something else your soul, you have to be in control, brother. You don't HAVE TO DO anything you don't want to, and that applies to a lot more than just this topic.

Live, love, learn.

I dont really think DMT has intentions.... Always seemed a bit random and chaotic to me, and if anything I would think it had more of the intentions of the maker or user....

Ayahuasca has shown me her intentions before and has proved herself to me on a few occasions. I trust her event though I still fear her a little bit - she can be real rough with me sometimes. She reminds me of a stern latino mother - she doesnt care if you like it or not, she will give you the tough love! Feisty too!

"That something" is within you, entheogens only provide help along the path. IF you mean by the "other side", non-ordinary, or non-material, reality, then be grateful. Direct perception of non-ordinary reality can be a great boost in your journey. If you are "giving away your soul", that doesn't sound very healthy, but entheogens work much better if you open your heart, and trust. To "normal people", ie those obsessed with the marterial world to the exclusion of all else, those who see us as "meat bags" here by accident, yes, you would seem crazy, if you tried to describe what you have learned. These folks are actively destroying our planet while demonizing substances that other cultures venerated for millenia. Know the tree by it's fruits.....does their world seem happier to you, more well adjusted? If not, then you need to explore other options. My thoughts? I am deeply grateful to experience wholeness, pure love and ancient knowledge. I respect all entheogens deeply, try to learn what I can, and use it to improve myself.

I do not think that any drug can have something like an intention. One can take a drug with a certain intention, but that's about it.

I always approach this as a something without an own agenda, not expecting anything from you, not imposing anything on to you, a very neat clean and tidy "room".

Yet when I stumble in, it is me and my energetic "mud" on my shoes that makes for the game. I dunno how much or what sort of mud that I actually carry in, and I get to see it all blasted in my face, like though a magnifying mirror, to learn to know what I am. I get to see the parts of me that was invisible before. A meet yourself party, for better or worse. That "me" goes far beyond my personality, a frightening disclosure.
Whooha.

DMT to me is a key. If you mean the intentions of "hyperspace", you might as well just ask what the intentions are of the universe.


I trust ayahusca quite a bit after a long and interesting relationship with it. But that's not to say that everything it gives you access to has rosey intentions, obviously.

yeah I guess you are right about the aya's intentions...and even if I don't know them, it's sure better being a happy loving fool than rational empty robot who lives in fear...I think its my ego or some crap I think its me that is afraid... I mean I know, just somehow I started questioning myself and everything at a certain point where I sort of lost faith in "God" or whatever....been trying to find my way ever since. Yesterday my gold fish had its first pharma (btw I must say it tasted so hideously it pretty much puked right away - the vinegar and lemon in the brew are just sooo baad...not to mention I think it's work finding another way, because it's just as harsh when it's coming back the other way..yack, or at least what it said ) ok where were we? the trust... yeah the gold fish had som problems with it, but took some lsd and shrooms day after the whole thing and it helped to fix what pharma started. though it was quite intense. thank God for it though

The vinegar/lemon isn't necessary in the brew BTW

I might be a bit of an odd-ball for someone who's interested in entheogens, because I still hold to the Christian faith I was brought up in (although now with a much more mystical and spiritual-not-religious perspective). So, in my world-view, the most serious risk of using hallucinogens is to be attacked by demons while in a psychologically vulnerable state. I'm personally a bit leery of getting involved with DMT "entities", because they could possibly be angelic or demonic spirits (or perhaps aspects of the psychonaut's own soul, or of God's presence in the created order?) I've never been to true, break-through hyperspace yet, but I'm confident that God will be there to guide and protect me, if and when I choose to explore this mystical tool. Learning to open my heart up to that kind of trust is the most important lesson I've learned from entheogens so far.

In my experience, whether you come at it from an access to a very real plane we don't typically have access to perspective, or from a visualizations of pockets deep within the firing of my synapses perspective, that the levels of the trance state which are populated by entities and filled with a variety of telepathic communications are one stop along the way, and are by no means an end, nevermind The End. I think once a more unified, no difference between the self and other, finally experiencing all that is via one perfect pure frequency (which in my experience, seems to be many, many tiers or levels passed that first circus of hyperspace,) because this "ego death" state seems both experientially and logically like more of an end - it also seems like more of a place to view the true "intentions" or preferred perspective to take in the DMT experience from. And, in my admittedly completely anecdotal experience, this place is not a place of binaries like benevolent/malevolent, or harmful/helpful; it's a place that is a singularity of "just is," and how its defined beyond that is entirely informed by the user.

I don't personally find the idea that ayahuasca is some kind of plant intelligence with intentions a very compelling one. I think that these neuro-active chemicals play a specific role within the biological eco-system, but it is not on the level of something like an ayahuasca tea itself having a driven intent towards another organism which consumes it. It's more about me, and what is being activated within my organism.

I agree.

I can relate to this. I always ask God for protection before ...

"Think for yourself and question authority", right?

If we say fuck off to earthly human authority but then we raise entities (or whatelse) to the ultimate judges of everything I believe we're messing stuff up.
It doesn't mean I'm saying to distrust the experience, of course. Learn as much as you can from it but don't consider it to be the ultimate truth. Be shrewd. Decide whether it's right to trust or not based on the specific event.


Just my two cents

Yeah I dont think of it as a plant entity or spirit either. For me I feel more as if I am tuning into something thats already there -whether I am or not- that my normal brain chemistry prevents me from seeing.

Doesent mean I am dismissing the possibility of non physical entities I just dont think its the plant itself trying to teach or show me anything.

I think that the intention is just the way we apprehend the situation. The product itself is neutral, it's a key, what's beyond the door is another story.
When a truth comes to us, we have many ways to deal with it : when I learned (without DMT !) that Santa Claus does not exist, I was upset. When I learned that existence goes far far far beyond us, I was relieved from a pain.

I agree.

I have found myself in the past being hesitant to use DMT because of the sheer strangeness of it. It is unlike anything I have ever experienced, and so I question the complete unknownness of what I am dealing with. But I think it’s important to question what our own intentions are for using DMT. Why are we using it? What do we hope to get out of the experience? We need to question ourselves and leave no stone unturned or it may just come out to get us.

But as complexity said, it’s best to be your own authority. Question everything, even your own beliefs and preconceptions. Dive into the abyss, being equipped with only your self, hold on to nothing and see what you find.

In my experience, these substances are wholly neutral/apathetic. They take you where you're going to go, it's just up to you whether it's a positive or negative experience. Although, sometimes I get the feeling that my mushrooms dictate to me when and where they are eaten. I've gone into situations fully planning on consuming the dose I had planned and changed my mind or, alternatively, vice versa.