Hi all,

First post here on the Nexus, and hoping the community can help out with some dud ayahuasca recepies...

SWIM has tried both a traditional ayahuasca brew, as well as an ayahuasca sandwhich. These are the two recepies SWIM has used:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Ayahuasca_sandwich
https://psychonautwiki.o...aditional_ayahuasca_brew

For the sandwhich, SWIM used 2g Acacia confusa root bark, and 2g of syrian rue. SWIM ate the syrian rue without pulverizing it (is this a necessary step?) about 15 mins before consuming the sandwich. After about a half hour or so, SWIM felt some mild psychedelic states and a mild body high, but nothing beyond that.

For the ayahuasca brew, SWIM used 9g ACRB and 4.5g syrian rue. SWIM simmered the ACRB in the pot for about an hour and a half on the lowest setting on the stove, adding water 2 additional times as the recepie suggested. SWIM also added egg whites from a carton to reduce the purge. SWIM ate the syrian rue seeds (again without pulverizing them) and then drank the brew about 25 mins later. Same thing, mild psychedelic state but no breakthrough.

Your thoughts would be much appreciated on what SWIM needs to change to get a successful breakthrough. SWIM still has a decent amount of ACRB and syrian rue.

Hello and welcome.

Here are a couple tips:

*Simmering for 1.5 hours isn't anywhere near enough time.

*3x 2 hour boils would be much more effective. Adding new water each boil. Combining and reducing liquid.

*Simmering on the lowest setting will take even more time. I always get it boiling and then turn it down to medium/medium high setting to maintain a solid but not a rapid boil. (Think about how they cooked it in the jungle, over open flames with no "heat settings"...)

*Eating whole seeds should work but since you are boiling ACRB anyway, might as well get another pot and do the same to your rue and make a tea. 3 x 2 hour boils and reduce.

*Do some more research. Taking any shortcuts will not get you anywhere with Aya (even though technically speaking ACRB and Syrian rue is not Ayahuasca, btw, since there is no Ayahuasca vine). There is tons of accurate information found right here in the Nexus.

*The water is shallow here. There is no need to swim as it provides no actual legal protection.

* "Careful with that dose, Eugene" ACRB is an untamed beast and the alkaloid content can vary with as much as 50% NMT sometimes. This means that a dose of 9 grams may be mellow one time while a dose of 9 grams could be a overwhelming hellish nightmare the next time. Just a heads up on that!

Hi Grateful One, thank you very much for the tips!

I have never been a great cook, so I will have to give the aya brew another try sometime (and yep I have read the discussions on here about whether or not it is actually aya with ACRB and Rue).

However, with the sandwhich, which is vastly simpler to make, what do you think was the cause of that not working? Just too small of a dose? Or should I wait more time between washing down the Rue and eating the sandwhich?

Thanks again

No problem, man! I'm just here to help when possible!

As for the sandwich, I have never tried that method so I can only speculate...that being said, 2g ACRB was probably just a threshold dose for you, perhaps? Also, 2g rue may not be enough either. A general guideline for rue is about 3 to 3.5g per dose for full effect. Some people need more, others need less. In time, you will find your "sweet spot."

Another thing people have different opinions on is whether to take the rue and DMT at the same time or separate. I have seen results both ways so it is hard to say what is best for you without some experimentation on your end.

A few of us here at the Nexus have been working on predosing some rue/vine about an hour or so before taking more rue/vine and then the DMT. But that was in relation to Pharmahuasca (Pharma, for short, is taking the extracted forms of Harmalas (from rue or vine) and the extracted form of DMT and ingesting that rather than a tea or a sandwich). The same principle applies though. You could take 1 gram of rue, then wait an hour. Then take the other 2.5 grams with the DMT OR wait 15-20 minutes before taking DMT.

Edit: If making rue tea, you could split your reduced liquid into approximate 3rds. Take 1/3 tea. Wait an hour. Take the other 2/3 and then the DMT etc. Or drink it all at once. Whatever is clever!

Like I said, there are many means to the same end. These are just a few ideas you could test out and see what works.

That makes sense. When I get my next day off from work, I think I am going to try the sandwich again, or maybe even just mixing the ACRB in with some apple sauce. I will also probably try predosing as you suggested.

This is my first time doing this, and I guess my main fear is that the ACRB I got just doesn't have good DMT content. I know discussing sources is not allowed, but I researched the place I ordered from before hand, and on other forums folks seemed to give them positive reviews, so I'm hoping that's not the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but really the only requirements for orally active DMT to work is that you ingest the DMT-containing plant somehow and have an MAOI to go along with it, right?

Side note: a friend shared some spice with me once, and although I didn't quite blast off it was an amazing experience. I'm hoping to try my hand at an extraction at some point as well

Yes, indeed that is correct. MAOI + DMT = Orally active. Traditionally, Ayahuasca was a brew utilizing B. Caapi and Chacruna but there are many many many admixtures and analogues.

Extraction is fun to mess around with as long as you are careful and invest in halfway decent equipment. On top of that, endless research is necessary too. But if you can grasp basic chemistry concepts, it isn't too difficult. Not to mention, pretty much all the information you would ever need can be found here, in the Nexus.

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do and be sure to let us know how it goes!