An interesting thought came to the rabbit's mind the other night.

In previous experiments with extracted DMT, the rabbit would add harmala to slightly warm lemonade, and later DMT to lemonade, to ingest. This proved to work quite well, and tastes pretty good overall.

The rabbit wishes to skip some of the purification steps however, for multiple reasons, and instead create an ayahuasca. Reading online, several aya recipes call just for slightly boiling water, while many others called for either lemon juice or vinegar. Both lemon juice/vinegar ayahuasca are said to be quite nasty by most of those, with lemon juice apparently tasting "horrid".

However, a quick search reveals nobody has mentioned using lemonade! So the rabbit's proposal is to do the ayahuasca boil itself using lemonade (let's say about 3g of bark) instead of lemon juice, filter the bark out after, and drink the resulting decoction some time after harmala ingestion. The only difference from above methods is that the drink contains sugar, which may just make this bearable to drink.

Does anyone have experience or thoughts on this? Would the dissolved sugar possibly lower the rate of dissolution of DMT into the solution? I'd imagine that water should be added during boiling to keep from thickening. Or perhaps using lemon juice during the boiling would be better, followed by the addition of the sugar.

You would have to add a whole cup of sugar to hemper dissolution, anyways....

- what you add to the brew could in intezam theory either escalate or improve the visions - we once added milk and commercial pomegrenade juice* to acacia/esphand haoma and (we was under the impression that) one of the two admixtures wanted to escalate the visions at 3+ hrs into the trip, whilst the other one (the milk?) put an organic looking seal (of mother love?) on top of the deluge visions and tried to shield us from the flood. The seal looked ugly, like a heart valve or some other fleshy thing.....Everything still escalated, and we was killed.

While it was good to drink (it tasted like some kind of cocoa milk) we will not try this again any time soon.

There is a reasons why medicine should not taste like a regular food or drink. All the birds know the reasons for this.

In reality, there is no need to add any vinegar or lemon juice to the brew (unless one ingests freebased spice), just boil it long enough and use good water and pure intent.

Even though the memory of the death taste will add to the nausea (later), the "taste" is not the prime cause of the nausea. When the first spice molecules hit the system hard after MAO inhibition via the oral route, this seem to be the cause of the nausea.

One of the things that could happen is: loosing most of the ingested brew during a premature purge. This however, can be avoided by keeping some ginger tea close by.

We are moar careful with ingesting sugars with medicine now -- they tend to speed things up and sometimes it can be too much, for example - during the milk/pomegrenade experience we was killed by THE ALL thrown at us. And thanks to the ginger tea** we couldn't purge when we needed to...anyways, it was a strong dose, so we do not know if we just imagined it all ....and it might have nothing to do with the sugar.


* by coincidence the juice was "rubycon" brand
**our ginger tea had sugar in it too
*** we should mention that it was supermoon (there was xtra pressing/presence of moon haoma)

that sounds disgusting. Too much sugar and acidic lemonade swishing around in my gut with all the ayahuasca would not be good.

I know of one person (not me lol) that made rue + mimo brew in coca cola. It simply worked fine he said. No wonder as the lemonade/cola acid is usually phosphoric acid. I've made brews myself with phosphoric acid water with pH 3 at the start.

But here comes the thing: that acid does not evaporate like vinegar does so bringing down the volume of like firm 3 washes to a small drinkable amount will concentrate the phosphoric acid to a really concerning amount. I know of a case that a person overlooked the effect and had to be hospitalized because he really had no idea what was going on, he drank a really deep acid cup. He did not brew lemonade, he added a "tad" of phosphoric acid to his brew-water in each wash.

The times I've used phosphoric acid was fridge cold soaks on powdered rue and mimo, that were not reduced in volume! At the end the pH was like 5 or something (started as 3). Man it worked great.

About the sugar, some sweet at the take-in is not bad, and some positive reports using sweat + brews are known of. But what is sweet? How much sugar are we talking about? If you reduce 3 washes of sweet lemonade to a drinkable cup, that's gonna be a caramel sugar bomb that easily kills good ole willy wonka.

blessed be

Getting over the taste is a small and trivial entry fee through the gates

If you gag just reduce it to 1 shot and throw it at the back of your throat chasing with water

Getting a taste for bitter salad leaves - which are really good for you - also makes ingesting bitter medicine brews all the easier.

Well, the rabbit tried it. Used a well-known brand of reasonably pure lemonade, with mango juice in it.

5g ACRB was simmered in an acceptable quantity of said lemonade, for ~4 hours. Water was added occasionally to make up that which was lost to evaporation. The mixture was chilled, then filtered cold, keeping the filtrate. Said liquid was a thick looking red color, which smelled of mango and ACRB.

Later...:
105mg harmala alkaloids were capsuled and consumed by the rabbit.

32 minutes later, it consumed the lemonade mixture. "It was actually tasty!" Says the rabbit. "With just a hint of bitterness from the tannins in the bark I suppose. I was scared it would be nasty, but was pleasantly surprised."

During the comeup, ~30min later, there was light nausea. However, the nausea was significantly less than previous experiences (my rabbit is unfortunately sensitive to the effects of harmala), and unlike previously, the nausea disappeared almost completely before the peak. Ginger was not necessary. This may have been more related to dietary choices my rabbit made this time around.

The trip seemed reasonably potent, as the rabbit says he was definitely seeing patterns and kaleidoscopic colors. I observed him laughing hysterically a handful of times over silly realizations. He says though, he would have preferred to up the dosage to 7.5g bark. However, given that the rabbit had little to go by regarding the potency of the bark, he's glad he didn't opt to do that this time.

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So there ya have it. Worth a shot, people