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The Ayahuasca Trueno (Alicia Anisopetala) - The mystic vine Options
 
Hannawald44
#1 Posted : 10/4/2015 10:53:25 PM
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I had ordered about a kilo of the black yage from an ethnobotanical online-shop. At home I still had about 400-500 grams of Chacruna leaves from Peru, fairly fresh as I had ordered them only a couple of months before. Of course I did not cook it all in one go, but had a couple of sessions and actually I had prepared a ceremony for three friends of mine a couple of days after my first trial of the thunder ayahuasca, which is also called Alicia Anisopetala and there is very little known about this in my eyes fascinating plant, which is why I have created this text in order to share my own experiences and get to know about what other people have experienced. When the Ayahuasca had arrived, I found out that some of the pieces were a bit moldy and so I started cleaning them and cutting some of the mildewed pieces out.
When this was finished, I then started to chew the pieces of aya down so that it would be easier to cook and also my intention was to get to know the plant already beforehand. The act of chewing the yage fills me with love and it has become a ritual for all of my journey with the plant spirit. The plant already starts to enter my system by chewing it. After I had chewed a fair amount for myself, I then started to cook the vine. I used some natural spring water, that I had collected before in the mountains ranges close to my home. Unfortunately I did not have any copper cooking pot, so I used some copper wires and plates to put it in with the ayahuasca. Copper had always worked wonders for me, when cooking the other vines with it. In addition to that I added some healing stones like magnetite, granite, selenite and some others that would raise the frequency of the potion. When i started the cooking process, the medicine had already taken an effect on my whole body. I could feel the Ayahuasca entering me, as I started to prepare the potion. There seemed to be this large entity, slightly dark above me and the cooking pot. I had prepared some smudging with Palo Santo and also started to smoke the Mapacho and every now and then blew some smoke over the concoction. After a little while I had settled with my Qui-Gong balls and entered into a very deep meditative state. A little later I added the Chacruna leaves to the potion and I felt how they joined the energies. With the white Ayahuasca I have always had the impression that the Chacruna leaves help the caapi vine to bring out its essence. This time it felt as though the black ayahuasca was helping the chacruna to reach its fullest potential. All in all I had cooked the first concoction for about 3 hours.
This was the first time that I intended to take the black aya medicine, so I wanted it to be very special. For this reason, I decided to take the medicine in the deep forrest. After packing all of my things, I was prepared to spend the night in the forrest. With two bags loaded up on my back and my bicycle, I started my journey towards the forrest. For a very long time it went uphill until I had reached a point where I could only roll down the street. The sun was about to reach a setting point when I reached the pristine place in the forrest that I had chosen for my journey. There was a very clear river flowing through the forrest and in the center of the small valley that I had reached, there was massive tree with roots that seemed to be connecting the whole forrest. Standing there in awe looking at the tree, i came to the conclusion that I could not encounter any better place than this. When I had settled down my things, I started to gather wood and stones to create a fire-place just above on the plane next to the tree. The water-flow had a very calming effect on me. When I started to prepare the fire, the first tries were not working out, so I remembered from previous times of starting a fire that it never works to push the fire. It has a character of it own that decides when it wants to start to flourish. After these thoughts came to me the fire soon flamed up.
And then all of a sudden I heard the harsh and crieking sound of an owl's cry. The owl was crying for about 5 minutes long, within each cry, she was hesitating for about 10 seconds.
I took the owl to be descent sign for me to start the ritual. So after I had blown again some Mapacho smoke over the freshly cooked potion, I then started to communicate with the ayahuasca spirit and told her about my intentions.
Actually this ritual for me was a purpose to preparing myself for a ritual that I had planned for another 3 guys that wanted to experience the ayahuasca spirit. Two of them came from Venezuela, so they have had previous experiences with the medicine. Due to their previous experiences I had decided on providing a potion of the black ayahuasca for them. Even though this plant is not all that researched, I had found a way to connect with the essence of the plant spirit and for me it felt that this type of ayahuasca does not hit you right away but the process of the medicine is much slower yet its effects will hold on for much longer.
So I told to the Ayahuasca spirit that I wanted her to help me understand her, so that I would be able to cook a good potion for the guys in the coming days. I told her that she could show me a way of always speaking through my heart, give me strength to only enter on the paths that have a heart.
Through the heart we can heal anything, the heart provides us with the very context of everything. Usually any illness can be related back to issues with the heart or even more issues in our way of expressing our love and living our love/fullest potential.
The heart way connects everything within, it is the very center of our most divine intentions. The society has been taking the road of a gut way for far too long. Now it is time for us to take these surpressed emotions that have been stored in our lower chakras up to the heart, act it all out and let it go.
With these feelings and intentions coming to my mind, I felt strong enough to start to enter the spirit realm of ayahuasca. So I looked deep into the dark potion that I had cooked only a few hours ago. Sip by sip I slowly swallowed the concoction down. It had a very sweet, yet bitter taste to it. By the end of cooking the vine, I had added some leaves from the Mapacho plant.
Immediately after I had finished to gulp down the ayahuasca tea, I felt my vision to have changed and turned into a flickering of whitish light.
A strong wave of energy hit me from the back at the top of my head. Right away the energy transmuted into goosebumps and warmth that rushed down from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. These waves came back again and again through the whole night.
I was staring for a long while into the fire playing on my mouthdrum, after I had decided to lie down between the roots of the big tree and I started to watch the moon that was now almost full.
The water rushing, hustling, pinching, dropping, flowing next to me, the sense of my ears was extremely sharp and somehow it felt as though I could hear very far and at the same time very close. As soon as I had settled between the trees roots an overwhelming feeling of love came over me. It felt as though I could let go all the stress that was bugging me before and accept my fate. It was a strong memory and I could not yet place it into the right place. Something very far and close at the same time.
The trees all around were as high as 20 meters and moreā€¦ only rarely there would be a hole that would permit the stars to leaks through. After a while the moon was shifting through these holes, shining a great light onto the whole of the tree. It felt incredibly uplifting to look into its seemingly blueish light. Almost full moon now, end of August 2015, for a couple of months I already feel the tides rising in me.
The experience with the ayahuasca trueno was a slow process and it worked a lot with my energy system, not necessarily physical energy, but maybe more etheral or the energy of my astrals body. Within the next few days, I would experience extreme fluctuations in my perception, meaning that my vision would suddenly turn into a bright greenish color and that I had moments of feeling so light, that I could imagine to lift off at any moment with my body.
Another sensation was that all the food that I ingested was much more powerful in its taste and somehow I preferred to eat much more raw produce, like carrots, apples and watermelons.

After this experience, I was eager to prepare the potion for my three friends. Two of them previously had experiences with the ayahuasca medicine in its own habitat and only one of them was new to the whole situation. We had the perfect environment, right at a lake with our garden just 10 meters from it. We lit up a fire and started playing drums, didgeridoo, mouthdrum and guitar.
It was a beautiful setting and feeling, so I started to prepare some Mapacho for the guys and blew some smoke into their auric fields. After that I took some menthol crystals and let them steam off upon a fully-glowing charcoal disk and I blew it right into their faces. Everyone was immediately coughing. After that they all felt ready to embrace the ayahuasca medicine. So we started with drinking the tea. The tea was not so dense, as I had only cooked it down one time. So the first thing that one of the guys said, that the Ayahuasca that he had tried previously was much denser, almost like a thick, bitter liquid.
They all started to pound their glasses down and then we set for a while in complete silence.
Yet the silence soon broke again as we started to chat again and share our experiences with the ayahuasca medicine. Obviously some of the guys had high expectations from their way of telling the stories about this journey and it also was clear that some only came to have another kick, as if it would be just doing any other drug.
I was a bit disappointed in myself that I had not properly reflected upon their intentions, as one of them started to light up a commercial ciggarette after a while. But then what could I have done, for they had paid for the whole plants. I guess it is everyones own choice how to embrace these plant experiences and it was my part just to take care of them, that they are not freaking out. And in the end I had gained a lot from the medicine. But somewhere I hoped that they could also have the same or similar experiences, maybe so that I could verify my experiences. Stupid sheep-thinking I thought and shove away this nasty thought.
After a while one of them started to violently puke, but apart from that he said that he had no changes. Everything was at a normal state. He seemed to be disappointed, as he had already gulped down a fair amount of the potion. The guy who smoked the ciggarette claimed that he did not feel anything through the whole night, while the other guy had really strange dreams with a strong fear coming up inside of him. As he told me that, I could remember myself 3 nights ago in the forrest, having a similar experience. I had dosed off for a while after taking the medicine and woke up again with a very strong fear, it was not a fear in particular, but just a fear in general, maybe you could call it an all-embracing fear, a fear that includes all fears, maybe it was the fear that I could die at any moment. It only had lasted for a split-second and then went off again, so again I drifted into sleep. I had extremely vivid dreams. One of the dreams that I remember was that an Indian guy with a tattoo on his neck came to me showed me how to properly snuff the rape.
He seemed so familiar to me, his presence gave me the feeling of coming home. The next day after I had woken up, I felt compelled to try the nunu-snuff that I had brought along, so to take measure of my dreams. It was a wonderful experience as I was bathing myself in the crystal-clear river that was flowing next to my forrest-residence. A lot of residue came out of my nose and throat and I had to spit a couple of times, but it was a very cleansing process. I had not felt so energized since a couple of months, so I decided to climb the hill to watch the sunset. And it came through, it shone its light through all the spider-webs that laid out criss-crossed through the forrest and the suns rays were reflected through the thinly woven spider-webs. Just before I decided to leave, there was a falcon flying above the place, where I had prepared the fire in the previous night. I thought that to be descent sign, that I had to leave the place. I knew that you were not allowed to make a fire in that particular place in the forrest and my intuition that someone would come, became true just as i had left in the right time.

So with all these experiences, that I had gone through, it was not a strong purge, as usually happens with the aya, but it was energetically very strong, I struggled to understand, why the medicine had not worked on my friends.

So I had decided to try it a couple of more times. This time I wanted to do it with my girlfriend together.
This time the experience was even stronger than before, as we both had felt shiverings and shakings in our body and my girlfriend came to through up into a bucket. She had strong visions of her childhood. She had lost trust already when she was born, for the umbilical cord was swung around her neck, just before she reached outside of her mother. Since then she had felt that when she would show love to another, her life would be in danger. Pretty deep memory. For myself the medicine did not take me until the point of my birth, but until I was about 3 years old. I was playing with a knife and my mother was worried that I would hurt myself so she took it away from me. I understood it that way, that she did not have any trust in me and from then on we had a strange relationship. I had always handled my mother somewhat differently than all the other people. With ayahuasca this suddenly seemed to change. I saw an image of my heart, it was splitted in two, on the one side was my mother, while on the other side were all other people. It was like a wall between these two worlds. Then ayahuasca did something to me and I had the definite feeling that the walls began to crumble. I reached out for a healing stone, that I had prepared for any of this kind of occasions and placed it onto my heart.
I had a strong feeling of trust again.

Forever I stay thankful for the experiences that the black ayahuasca has given me and I hope that there are other people willing to share their own experiences.
On the net I have not found so much data concerning the plant, so I was intrigued to start something about this plant. Actually I have written a couple questions to retreats that I thought were authentic, in its shaman constellation in order to find out how they use the plant, but up until now I have not received any answer from anyone.
Somehow I feel that this plant is even more effective, when you do it with a group of well-intended people like I had done it with my girlfriend.
Previously I had thought that the plant was only used by the shamans themselves. The aya would then open doors within them that provided them with energies, that could aid in the healing process of other people.
Now I believe this is a plant for the whole village.

What do you think about this? Has anyone had similar experiences with the black ayahuasca?
Do you have any recommendations for me or other people who want to try this plant?

As I dived deeper into researching the plant, I had found that there are barely any scientific studies taken on the plant, except for one recent study by ICEERS, which only validates that the ayahuasca trueno, black ayahuasca or alicia anisopetala does not contain any harmala alkaloids. As it obviously does contain other alkaloids they only had suggested to approach this plant with more caution, as the content is yet unknown (scientifically).
Then I have also found a guy from Poland (I believe it is Polish for I have used the google translator) who has also done some self-experiments with the plant.
He said that there definetely was a strong anti-depressant effect. He claimed that he would start to do experiments with rats, but i could not follow up on it.

So the ayahuasca trueno leaves me with a beautiful mystery.
It acts from the dephth and in discord with your expectations.
It takes you deep into your emotional world.
I would call it the Iboga of the Ayahuascas as the process is much longer than with the other vines
and it lets the journeyer dive into his/her own ocean of profound feelings.
It helps to recover wounds that have been caused on the energy body.

TO BE CONTINUED
 

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jamie
#2 Posted : 10/5/2015 2:56:59 AM

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After speaking about this with Alan Shoemaker personally, as well as drinking this vine and speaking with others, I am of the opinion that Alicia anisopetala is likely to not even be used as traditional ayahuasca and instead some guy just started selling the vine labled as ayahuasca.

Alan Shoemaker told me that some guy in iquitos was trying to sell vine like that once and he got some brewed it up and it did nothing. He took it to a local currandero who said that is not a type of ayahuasca, it is just a jungle vine.

The consensus atm is that it is not very active in doses relevant to B. cappi or B. muricata and does not inhibit MAO-A enough to activate admixture plants, and IMO certainly is not Trueno ayahuasca or black ayahuasca.

The original analysis of this vine was carried out by people here, before ICEERS had any involvement. Endlessness had samples tested and no identifiable beta-carbolines were present in the chromatography tests.

We should stop calling this stuff ayahuasca trueno for the time being. There is no evidence to even suggest any real tribe is using this vine. None. I tried to find ethnographic data on it when I wrote an article on different species of ayahuasca like Banisteriopsis muricata for Dragibus and I could find nothing other than random claims from one vendor who is not trustworthy IMO that spurred all kinds of rumors here and on the ayahuasca forums.

For the time being this is all rumor lacking any credible sources. I am all for the idea that there is a ton of stuff going on in these cultures that we do not know about, but speculation is pointless and what I do have to go on is that a very very similar vine was present in iquitos(perhaps by the same vendor trying to get people to back up his claims?) and a real jungle currandero said this vine is not ayahuasca.
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