3rd break through

i can't remember anything after them but once u go back its instantly 'o yeah i know this place!'

i think i got kinda stuck mid breakthrough because there was some panic

it was a strange because the panic will be there one second then your
disappeared and there's no panic...same thing with breathing...u feel yourself breathing one second then theres no one breathing... at one point my eyes opened and the room flipped over n liquified and that was rather disturbing:shocked:

if i had to guess, from what i have been getting from all these

studies with DMT and shrooms are ego realms

it felt in this experience that the ego was in 'death mode' like a place were i was kinda breaking through and breaking back.

it may be common knowledge to other DMT users but since i'm new to it i strongly believe now that that breakthrough can be synonymous with complete ego dissolution where slightly below breakthrough levels can give u what i just experienced more of a 'ego death' senario that can be uncomfortable, at least for me

when u get a good hit u can completely bypass the uncomfortable 'ego death'....again this is what i'm getting from my initial trials, just my interpretation of what i'm being shown.....

will i ever be able to remeber some shit???

have fun in your travels

If you realy have problems remembering (well, it seems at least you remembered something),you might want to try a lower doses next time.

its more i cant remember what i see with eyes closed

try taking some thh or harmine

This is actually the best advice. It will make the experience more comprehensable in the first place, it reduces fear and it makes your journey last longer so you have more time to remember.

thanx for the advice.....how much longer will the trip last?? i dont if i wanna get stuck there for 6 hours....

Harmalines won't elongate the peak, just the afterglow - which may last an hour, hour and a half, or more.

SWIM recalls very little afterwards (and doesn't find the addition of harmalines to make a lot of a difference in this regard), but after enough travels you will begin to put together a composite picture of the experience (which will still not be too accurate).

"Here" and "there" are just two fundamentally irreconcilable planes - which is part of what makes the experience so utterly earth shattering. You can never truly bring it back, just as you can't really fathom baseline reality when you are broken through.

the more we go the more we are able to remember.

sometimes I'll just be sitting there and I'll get a flash of a vision and.....wow....

This is one reason SWIM is not much into smoking DMT. He prefers it orally with MAOI or sublingually using Virola calophylla resin. The slower onset makes the experience much more rewarding.

SWIM has been using Virola calophylla resin sublingually with 6% calcium hydroxide. Virola calophylla resin contains nearly 10% DMT. This way the trip comes on gradually. It's much nicer.

Pure freebase DMT burns like crazy if taken sublingually though, but the resin doesn't burn at all even with the calcium hydroxide. The nice thing about the resin is that it works nicely sublingually without any MAOI.

I personally think taking it orally is the way to go. Alot of people think that just because it's not being smoked that it's somehow not really that strong, but to be honest, you just have to take more to get more. You'll be in that state for a good few hours but you'll lose your sense of time anyway. You'll definitely remember a lot more because you spend more time and gradually come down, so it makes it more easier to bring information.

A good tip for remembering is to not change quickly, like when you wake up in the morning and just lay there you can remember a lot of your dream, but then if your alarm goes off and you have to rush out of bed it makes it harder to remember your dream.

p.s. the things I've experienced with spice appear to be totally impossible...that is probably why they don't latch onto memory very well...our memory mechanisms are like WTF is this data, we've never seen anything like it, UH!!!!!

I agree with you, sidewinder. These experiences are so far from what we consider "reality", it's almost like our minds find it too difficult to process it.

haha is that 'Tweak'

Indeed it is I was kinda wondering when someone was going to ask that... only cuz i know people from "the shroomery" are most likely members of Nexus as well. Is your name 'Trinity' on shroomery?

no Billy1111

Billy111! Good to see you over here, man!

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69Ron. Is your foaf using roughly half a gram of virola S.L.? I take it thats equal to about 50mg or is that too much?

Also, can you link me to a thread where more about this is? Like, how long does it last? Do you breakthrough? etc

This sounds like a good mix with caapi copy and stramonium.


Thanks,

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I don't think you ever remember every detail because one image can be made from several thousands of smaller images which just won't process into memory quick enough before that initial "physical memory" has to process the new data which is again, very complex in these situations.

I think if you train your, what I call "DMdeja vu recognition" you can set a template in your memory for better remembering future experiences via a schema trigger rather than present processed data.

All that seems quite trivial to me now though, mainly thanks to the addition of caapi leaves where I find it much easier, not to remember the experience, but think about the experience as it happens and put to memory the relevant details if I'm lucky enough to have an epiphany that strikes me so hard I have no choice BUT to remember it, the likes of which were never as possible using pure freebase.

I used to be in this school of thought until I had a full vapor style breakthrough in the strongest sense via the oral route. I was in no way as prepared as I thought I was. D'oh!

I think it's definately a good idea to have a strong vapour experience before you go down this road. Mainly because with my experience of using DMT orally the intensity of the experience can differ so much from the same amount taken from one time to another. So increasing the dosage little by little can... well for me anyway give you a sharp surprise.

Especially as if you can't remember a pharma session you've lost 2 hours rather than just 5 minutes with vapour. I suppose you always remember some, but my recollection of the peak of the experience is often quite hazy at larger doses.

Have a pensil and paper next to you when you come back. As soon as you are able start writting or drawing everything you can remember. Go back over these notes/drawings shortly after you are fully down. See if these trigger any other memories...also, lower your dosage.

Harmaloid alkaloids WILL slow down a voyage. They make it a lot less hetic and most people can remember it better. If you smoke a bit (50-60mgs) of harmine freebase and wait 10-15 minutes, you can voyage with the benefits of an MAOI voyage, but without being in hyperspace for an hour.